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Old 02-02-2011, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
No is the answer. If you do not understand what I am referring to, you need to spend some time in a GT1-powered car. If you have, and still don't know what I am referring to, then you don't and won't get it. I do not disagree that the Mezger is at its prime and ready for replacement; it is not a "nostalgia" issue for me.

I wound my 9A1 to redline a few times on the way to work this morning. Yes, it revs freely and smoothly. But so does a Lexus motor.
I'll bet you will find the 9A1 version of a future GT3 equally rewarding.

I do not know what Lexus you refer too, but I know none that revs as freely and as eagerly as the 3.8l 9A1.
Old 02-02-2011, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo4ever
Well said, finally I sold my 997.2 GT3RS and I have no regard about that.

I am looking forward to my new 991 GT3 Clubsport.
So you sold your .2 RS now because you want a 9A1 991 gt3 in about 2 1/2 years. You knew or should have known when you bought the RS that the famed Mezger was on its way out and would be replaced with something contemporary, i.e the 9A1 albiet modifed for homogolation. I don't understand the elation of the present sale in anticipation of the latter purchase. It's not like you sold a toad to buy a princess.
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Originally Posted by ADias
I'll bet you will find the 9A1 version of a future GT3 equally rewarding.

I do not know what Lexus you refer too, but I know none that revs as freely and as eagerly as the 3.8l 9A1.
No doubt the 9A1 is Porsche's engine of the future but to dismiss the fact that many believe it lacks the soul of the GT1 is unfair to say the least. I test drove many 9A1 equipped .2s for very long stretches and felt that they were too clinical. Maybe that changes with long term ownership, maybe not. Strong rumor and likely fact that the previously mentioned excessive carbon build up is a problem with the 9A1.

I am all for the change and expect it to be very good for the consumer. However, it is humorous to read opinions here compared with the 997 turbo forum's general consensus. Members there feel the coming of the 9A1 means the sky is falling.

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Old 02-02-2011, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
Take the factory tour, the GT1 and 9A1 engine assy lines are next to each other in Zuffenhausen, the time taken to assy either engine is "approximately" the same, the difference is measured in minutes, not hours or days, Germany hourly labour rates are good, but they are not that good ...
Did the factory tour and the M96/M97 engine was assembled in the same room as the GT1 motor, both by hand. The 9A1 is assembled by machine for the most part from the video I saw, so I'm sure much cheaper to build.
Old 02-02-2011, 09:24 PM
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I remember all the air cooled guys saying the water cooled engines lacked soul and this is the down fall of Porsche. Well...seem goodole Porsche is rockin right along.

So for me...bring on the GT3 with PDK...I'm sure Porsche is cookin up something good for all of us in the near future.
Old 02-02-2011, 09:27 PM
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Mezger is a 10 year old technology! Sounds pretty old. I am welcoming a new engine as I had nothing but problems with my 997 GT3 engine.
Terry:La plus ca change, la plus ca meme chose. Is this French?
Old 02-02-2011, 09:34 PM
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Don't get me wrong, the Mezger engine is a marvel. I love it. But, I wonder if the same nostalgia was present when Porsche phased out the old 4-cam Ernst Fuhrmann engine 50 plus years ago.
Old 02-02-2011, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by str8ner
Mezger is a 10 year old technology! Sounds pretty old. I am welcoming a new engine as I had nothing but problems with my 997 GT3 engine.
Terry:La plus ca change, la plus ca meme chose. Is this French?
As best I can remember it, Stephan.
Old 02-02-2011, 11:41 PM
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As long as they stick in the GT3 what they raceand it has at least the same power and less weight I'm good with it. Not kinda like what they race, same thing.
Old 02-03-2011, 12:58 AM
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I read somewhere that the Mezger block is a racing block and is serviceable , while the 9A1 if something goes wrong you have to replace the whole engine.
Old 02-03-2011, 02:04 AM
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Str8ner wrote:
Terry:La plus ca change, la plus ca meme chose. Is this French?
Well, ..pretty close !
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."

or:
"The more it changes, the more it's the same thing"
Old 02-03-2011, 03:08 AM
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Didn't the (Megzer engine) GT3-RSR just win the 2010 Le Mans GT2 class?

I don't mind to talk-the-talk all day long about how great the 9A1 may be in the future racing; Until then, the Mezger actually just walk-the-walk and brought home another Le Mans trophy. Thank you very much.

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Old 02-03-2011, 03:15 AM
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Remember all the people coveting those 993s because they are the last of the air cooled cars? Well you can't hold back progress. Porsche had to go water cooled to get better breathing 4-valve, so air cooled had to die. FYI, the 959 was water cooled because they used 4-valve heads. The 9A1 has a lot of interesting features, particularly the fixes related to the IMS. No it isn't proven in racing, but that is very likely forthcoming as is a 4.0L version of the engine (the exact size of a 3.8l S engine with a 3.6l crank). There will be quite a few reluctant to move forward, which should keep the resale higher for these cars (like the 993 over the 996). Its all good all around.
Old 02-03-2011, 04:23 AM
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let's hope there's some new gen 'mezger's working at porsche who in their spare time dream of engines and not facebook.
Old 02-03-2011, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbo4ever
Well said, finally I sold my 997.2 GT3RS and I have no regard about that.

I am looking forward to my new 991 GT3 Clubsport.
Originally Posted by 911dev
So you sold your .2 RS now because you want a 9A1 991 gt3 in about 2 1/2 years. You knew or should have known when you bought the RS that the famed Mezger was on its way out and would be replaced with something contemporary, i.e the 9A1 albiet modifed for homogolation. I don't understand the elation of the present sale in anticipation of the latter purchase. It's not like you sold a toad to buy a princess.
Don't hold your breathe 911dev! We were asked every question about options over the course of the past 2 years> an order was always coming, coming > he disappeared off the face of the planet without photos or otherwise> reappeared last week to ask about what to do with racing shells and a rollbar in a car that he never intended to track > and yesterday it was declared sold ... I doubt turbo4ever has ever owned a 2010 RS... and now he's buying another clubsport! wtf!

Now as for cars, I'm sure the motorsport 9A1 will be great but for me 'better the devil you know'... If I'm lucky enough in my life, I may add another 9A1 based GT3 to the garage one day but never will I part with the 997.2 for one... Both sides have argued pros and cons of the new motor over the old... My reservation is simple and obvious: 40 years ago Porsche were motivated by their passion for motorsport, success and sharing this with their customers- they took pride in the product they offered! Today, its hard to go past the fact that their primary motivation is profit and $$$s...

Finally, as for this talk of the old, tired Mezger- blah, blah, blah... Doesn't seem to stop a 450hp RS lapping the NBR 10sec faster than the F458 with the latest and greatest of modern technology and manufacturing processes... and even in acceleration- had they pdk'ed the GT cars (for those who want that), the acceleration would be there too!

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