991 GT3 info from the source!
#121
Nordschleife Master
No is the answer. If you do not understand what I am referring to, you need to spend some time in a GT1-powered car. If you have, and still don't know what I am referring to, then you don't and won't get it. I do not disagree that the Mezger is at its prime and ready for replacement; it is not a "nostalgia" issue for me.
I wound my 9A1 to redline a few times on the way to work this morning. Yes, it revs freely and smoothly. But so does a Lexus motor.
I wound my 9A1 to redline a few times on the way to work this morning. Yes, it revs freely and smoothly. But so does a Lexus motor.
I do not know what Lexus you refer too, but I know none that revs as freely and as eagerly as the 3.8l 9A1.
#122
So you sold your .2 RS now because you want a 9A1 991 gt3 in about 2 1/2 years. You knew or should have known when you bought the RS that the famed Mezger was on its way out and would be replaced with something contemporary, i.e the 9A1 albiet modifed for homogolation. I don't understand the elation of the present sale in anticipation of the latter purchase. It's not like you sold a toad to buy a princess.
#123
I am all for the change and expect it to be very good for the consumer. However, it is humorous to read opinions here compared with the 997 turbo forum's general consensus. Members there feel the coming of the 9A1 means the sky is falling.
Last edited by 911dev; 02-02-2011 at 10:59 PM.
#124
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Los Gatos / Tahoe, CA
Posts: 2,726
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
6 Posts
Take the factory tour, the GT1 and 9A1 engine assy lines are next to each other in Zuffenhausen, the time taken to assy either engine is "approximately" the same, the difference is measured in minutes, not hours or days, Germany hourly labour rates are good, but they are not that good ...
#125
Race Director
I remember all the air cooled guys saying the water cooled engines lacked soul and this is the down fall of Porsche. Well...seem goodole Porsche is rockin right along.
So for me...bring on the GT3 with PDK...I'm sure Porsche is cookin up something good for all of us in the near future.
So for me...bring on the GT3 with PDK...I'm sure Porsche is cookin up something good for all of us in the near future.
#126
Mezger is a 10 year old technology! Sounds pretty old. I am welcoming a new engine as I had nothing but problems with my 997 GT3 engine.
Terry:La plus ca change, la plus ca meme chose. Is this French?
Terry:La plus ca change, la plus ca meme chose. Is this French?
#127
Don't get me wrong, the Mezger engine is a marvel. I love it. But, I wonder if the same nostalgia was present when Porsche phased out the old 4-cam Ernst Fuhrmann engine 50 plus years ago.
#128
#131
Str8ner wrote:
Well, ..pretty close !
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."
or:
"The more it changes, the more it's the same thing"
Terry:La plus ca change, la plus ca meme chose. Is this French?
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."
or:
"The more it changes, the more it's the same thing"
#132
Three Wheelin'
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,485
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Didn't the (Megzer engine) GT3-RSR just win the 2010 Le Mans GT2 class?
I don't mind to talk-the-talk all day long about how great the 9A1 may be in the future racing; Until then, the Mezger actually just walk-the-walk and brought home another Le Mans trophy. Thank you very much.
Regards,
I don't mind to talk-the-talk all day long about how great the 9A1 may be in the future racing; Until then, the Mezger actually just walk-the-walk and brought home another Le Mans trophy. Thank you very much.
Regards,
#133
Remember all the people coveting those 993s because they are the last of the air cooled cars? Well you can't hold back progress. Porsche had to go water cooled to get better breathing 4-valve, so air cooled had to die. FYI, the 959 was water cooled because they used 4-valve heads. The 9A1 has a lot of interesting features, particularly the fixes related to the IMS. No it isn't proven in racing, but that is very likely forthcoming as is a 4.0L version of the engine (the exact size of a 3.8l S engine with a 3.6l crank). There will be quite a few reluctant to move forward, which should keep the resale higher for these cars (like the 993 over the 996). Its all good all around.
#135
Rennlist Member
So you sold your .2 RS now because you want a 9A1 991 gt3 in about 2 1/2 years. You knew or should have known when you bought the RS that the famed Mezger was on its way out and would be replaced with something contemporary, i.e the 9A1 albiet modifed for homogolation. I don't understand the elation of the present sale in anticipation of the latter purchase. It's not like you sold a toad to buy a princess.
Now as for cars, I'm sure the motorsport 9A1 will be great but for me 'better the devil you know'... If I'm lucky enough in my life, I may add another 9A1 based GT3 to the garage one day but never will I part with the 997.2 for one... Both sides have argued pros and cons of the new motor over the old... My reservation is simple and obvious: 40 years ago Porsche were motivated by their passion for motorsport, success and sharing this with their customers- they took pride in the product they offered! Today, its hard to go past the fact that their primary motivation is profit and $$$s...
Finally, as for this talk of the old, tired Mezger- blah, blah, blah... Doesn't seem to stop a 450hp RS lapping the NBR 10sec faster than the F458 with the latest and greatest of modern technology and manufacturing processes... and even in acceleration- had they pdk'ed the GT cars (for those who want that), the acceleration would be there too!
Last edited by 911rox; 02-03-2011 at 08:45 AM.