Really?? PDK vs Manual??
03-19-2012, 09:55 PM
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Hats off to Porsche
Not only is a mannny tranny still an option, but its new and (hopefully) improved
I love the idea of a closer ratio'd six gears and a fuel sipping extreme overdrive; sad to see its not in the new boxster
Not only is a mannny tranny still an option, but its new and (hopefully) improved
I love the idea of a closer ratio'd six gears and a fuel sipping extreme overdrive; sad to see its not in the new boxster
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03-20-2012, 08:54 AM
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Smoothe or Rough PDK Character
In another post in this thread, I commented on how clunky the PDK was when in auto and sport +, when the car downshifts from 2nd to 1st when coming to a stop. I drove my 991S around town yesterday and found something out. If you have it in manual and sport +, that clunk is gone.
Here is what I found out. When driving in manual and sport +, the car downshifts on its own when coming to a stop just like when in auto mode, but the downshift from 2nd to 1st happens at about 600 or 800 rpms and is very smoothe. When you have it in auto and sport +, the downshift from 2nd to 1st happens at 1,200 or 1,400 rpms and is very clunky by comparison. I forgot to put it in auto and normal mode to see how it downshifts from 2nd to 1st.
I find this very interesting, that Porsche designed the shift software so differently for how the car shifts in auto or manual mode from 2nd to 1st when coming to a stop. That is something I hope Porsche fixes for future 991s.
Anyway, if you want to drive your car around town in Sport + without the clunky downshift from 2nd to 1st every time you come to a red light or stop sign, you might want to try putting it in manual and drive the car with the paddles or push buttons. That's what I did yesterday and it was a joy.
And what was a blast was coming into an intersection to make a turn with a green light, downshifting to 1st just before the turn, and exploding out of it.
I really like my 991S. The sun came out in Los Angeles yesterday after several days of rain. There was snow on the mountains, clear skies, and it was about 55 degrees where I live. I had the sunroof open, windows down, heater on, stereo pumping and driving on some great roads having fun with the car in manual and sport +. Only thing left to do is get PSE so it is even louder when I want it to be.
Here is what I found out. When driving in manual and sport +, the car downshifts on its own when coming to a stop just like when in auto mode, but the downshift from 2nd to 1st happens at about 600 or 800 rpms and is very smoothe. When you have it in auto and sport +, the downshift from 2nd to 1st happens at 1,200 or 1,400 rpms and is very clunky by comparison. I forgot to put it in auto and normal mode to see how it downshifts from 2nd to 1st.
I find this very interesting, that Porsche designed the shift software so differently for how the car shifts in auto or manual mode from 2nd to 1st when coming to a stop. That is something I hope Porsche fixes for future 991s.
Anyway, if you want to drive your car around town in Sport + without the clunky downshift from 2nd to 1st every time you come to a red light or stop sign, you might want to try putting it in manual and drive the car with the paddles or push buttons. That's what I did yesterday and it was a joy.
And what was a blast was coming into an intersection to make a turn with a green light, downshifting to 1st just before the turn, and exploding out of it.
I really like my 991S. The sun came out in Los Angeles yesterday after several days of rain. There was snow on the mountains, clear skies, and it was about 55 degrees where I live. I had the sunroof open, windows down, heater on, stereo pumping and driving on some great roads having fun with the car in manual and sport +. Only thing left to do is get PSE so it is even louder when I want it to be.
03-20-2012, 10:00 AM
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03-20-2012, 10:07 AM
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03-20-2012, 10:16 AM
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03-20-2012, 10:17 AM
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Anyway, if you want to drive your car around town in Sport + without the clunky downshift from 2nd to 1st every time you come to a red light or stop sign, you might want to try putting it in manual and drive the car with the paddles or push buttons. That's what I did yesterday and it was a joy.
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This thread is hilarious - pick what you want. To denigrate one or the other is meaningless. PDK is not boring to me, especially after 3 other manual 911's. By the way i learnt how to drive a manual at 14 years old and got pretty good at it over the years.
03-20-2012, 10:51 AM
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03-20-2012, 11:05 AM
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Another one of these threads? The manual transmission is dead and as one magazine writer professed, "the only people still whining about it are old men in Hawaiian shirts." There is NOTHING engaging about a manual transmission. You are simply selecting a gear. As a percentage of what goes into hustling a car precisely down a road or around a racetrack, it's 1% if that. If you think shifting gears is this hard engaging experience, yes even with using the heel/toe technique, you probably shouldn't be trying to drive a car quickly anyway.
Time marches on. Keep up or get left behind.
Time marches on. Keep up or get left behind.
"If you're complaining about the loss of feel with the new Porsche, you've officially joined the ranks of old dudes in Hawaiian shirts sitting around on beer coolers bitching about fuel injection."
Motortrend article
However, I think it applies equally to the PDK vs. Manual debate.
(No offense to Hawaiian shirt wearing old dudes intended.)
03-20-2012, 11:29 AM
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On behalf of all of us "old dudes in Hawaiian shirts" - I ordered my 991 with a stick shift becasue I am so old that I didn't know that you could get a Porsche with an Auotmatic Transmission. Do they put the gear lever on the steering column? What is the world coming to? I'll bet that soon they will offer power windows.
03-20-2012, 11:50 AM
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I love the excuses people come up with. There is nothing fun about pressing a lever to switch gears or hearing an engine labor waiting for the gear lever to be pressed while on a casual drive down the street. There really is no point to putting it in manual mode and where is there any fun at all in just driving with nothing to do except fiddle on you phones and ipads while drinking a latte.
I can see why people who get paid to drive fast use it. It eliminates human error and every possible tenth could be the difference between winning or losing. They are not using it because it’s fun, their using it because it’s easier and it has an advantage.
You could drive manual your whole life and never need to learn or execute heel and toe or blipping while down shifting to drive the car and can be boring if you want to.
It takes skill and practice to do it with speed and perfection. I hear people who can't do stuff as good as others make excuses as why it’s no good, fun and dated.
I love rolling into a red light anticipating when it goes green while manipulating the throttle and just dropping the clutch in first gear as the car tears off wheels spinning until they get grip. You can't do that with PDK.
I can see why people who get paid to drive fast use it. It eliminates human error and every possible tenth could be the difference between winning or losing. They are not using it because it’s fun, their using it because it’s easier and it has an advantage.
You could drive manual your whole life and never need to learn or execute heel and toe or blipping while down shifting to drive the car and can be boring if you want to.
It takes skill and practice to do it with speed and perfection. I hear people who can't do stuff as good as others make excuses as why it’s no good, fun and dated.
I love rolling into a red light anticipating when it goes green while manipulating the throttle and just dropping the clutch in first gear as the car tears off wheels spinning until they get grip. You can't do that with PDK.
03-20-2012, 12:28 PM
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Which excuses are you referring to?
Hmmm... Isn't that exactly how a gear lever in a manual transmission is used?
From that I can tell that you really haven't driven a PDK for much time and don't know all that it can do.
Stereotype much? Talk about reinforcing the moldy fig image.
If you're looking for the best manual shift action, you can do a lot better than a 991 or even most other Porsches. Try a Miata or an S2000. They're not as fast, but apparently that isn't as important to you.
ahhhh, now you are separating the regular manual car drivers from those who really know how to drive a manual
But, of course you are able to do this better than most, ergo, you are a driving god! Obviously a better driver than anyone with a PDK! That's what you are really trying to say, right?
I am sure that hand cranking a car to start had a degree of skill associated with it. Of course, the reason people started buying cars with starter motors is because they were so ashamed of their relative lack of skill in cranking. It had nothing to do with there being a better technology available.
You can go one better - Launch control. No need to shred your tires and clutch and you will be faster than a manual launch. You prefer the smell of a burnt clutch? Fair enough, but that's not the same thing.
Hmmm... Isn't that exactly how a gear lever in a manual transmission is used?
From that I can tell that you really haven't driven a PDK for much time and don't know all that it can do.
I am sure that hand cranking a car to start had a degree of skill associated with it. Of course, the reason people started buying cars with starter motors is because they were so ashamed of their relative lack of skill in cranking. It had nothing to do with there being a better technology available.
You can go one better - Launch control. No need to shred your tires and clutch and you will be faster than a manual launch. You prefer the smell of a burnt clutch? Fair enough, but that's not the same thing.
03-20-2012, 01:14 PM
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