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Old 03-03-2013, 12:42 PM
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I'm hoping to clarify a discrepancy I see across a few web sites, this applies to regional Porsche sites as well as automags.

What is the 0-100km/h sprint time for the 911 S ?

I've seen references to 4.3s and 4.1s with Sport+ & PDK
I've also seen 4.1s quoted as standard, with 3.9s with Sport+ & PDK

Which is it?

Purely educational of course, that 0.2s won't make a difference one way or the other.
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Originally Posted by Mac Anamourlis
I'm hoping to clarify a discrepancy I see across a few web sites, this applies to regional Porsche sites as well as automags.

What is the 0-100km/h sprint time for the 911 S ?

I've seen references to 4.3s and 4.1s with Sport+ & PDK
I've also seen 4.1s quoted as standard, with 3.9s with Sport+ & PDK

Which is it?

Purely educational of course, that 0.2s won't make a difference one way or the other.
All of the above times are within variation likely due to air temp, humidity, weight of fuel in the tank, and food in the belly.
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According to the owner's manual for 0-100km (62 mph) (North American version):
991S Coupe with Manual 4.5 seconds
991 S Coupe with PDK 4.3 seconds but 4.1 Sport + mode

Note that when Porsche prints a performance number every car off the production line has to achieve that (it's German law) out of the box so to speak.

I think that the lower numbers in road tests are because (a) the car is broken in and (b) Porsche's numbers are understated to be safe on their own claims.

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And does the addition of the power-kit improve on that time? Even marginally?
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Originally Posted by suhaas307
And does the addition of the power-kit improve on that time? Even marginally?
We won't know that until one is road tested. Keep in mind- getting to 60 mph is a very limited test.
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The website claims 3.9s for PDK+Sport Plus. I wouldn't trust magazines. Road and Track as well as C&D are infamous for using "formulas" to determine the best 0-60 rather than actually achieving it. For instance, they just published an S7 doing it in 3.9s. While it is a very quick car, I really find it hard to believe it's getting to 60 that quick carrying around 4200+lbs, and faster than the S4.
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Figured out one of the reasons...

The US site quotes 0-60mph figures (3.9s with Sport+)
The local South African (and numerous European) sites quote 0-100km/h figures of 4.1s with Sport+ but that is to 62mph...

I guess those extra 2mph add on 0.2s
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Originally Posted by chuckbdc
All of the above times are within variation likely due to air temp, humidity, weight of fuel in the tank, and food in the belly.
The above is a very accurate answer to your question; when it comes to chasing a number, there are MANY variables that come into play.

I would feel comfortable predicting that the 991S Auto or Manual is capable of cracking into the eleven-second bracket at Atco Drag-strip on a cool fall day.

Here's a site that records all the 0 to 60 times as they become available:

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Porsche...mph-Times.html

The one thing I notice with the 911S is that it's quite venomous on the street, because it gets the power to the ground, which isn't the case with many other high HP cars.

My former C6 ZO6 was almost useless on the street in first and second gear, yet was able to break into the ten-second bracket with drag radials at the track.
My new Carrera-S feels much more satisfying on the street; IMO
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Road and Track in its first full test had the 991C2S at 11.8 at 117 in the quarter mile. That's the one I like most, and I'm sticking to it!

PS I have no idea if that how repeatable that is, and I have no doubt that all those cars with another 100 HP will begin to go by it somewhere around there. But I agree fully with carrerapete about the street-monster aspect. With PDK at least, you think it, you done it.
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Originally Posted by carrerapete
Here's a site that records all the 0 to 60 times as they become available:

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Porsche...mph-Times.html
Thanks for this, but I really find it difficult to believe some of these numbers:

2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Cabriolet 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.3

2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS Coupe 0-60 mph 4.2 Quarter Mile 12.6

2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S (Manual) 0-60 mph 3.7 Quarter Mile 12.1

2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.3

2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet PDK 0-60 mph 3.8

2013 Porsche 911 Carrera 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter Mile 12.7

2013 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S PDK 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter Mile 11.8
GTS Cab quicker than Coupe? 3.9 vs 4.2
2012 C2S Manual quicker than PDK? 3.7 vs 3.9
2012 C2S Cab PDK quicker than Coupe PDK? 3.8 vs 3.9

And the 4S managing a 3.5s sprint? Wow! I understand the improved traction, but there is also additional weight... how could it get the sprint time quicker than a 997 .2 Turbo?

Ultimately I guess this is all just entertaining reading... the feeling behind the wheel is what's important. Still... it is interesting.
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Originally Posted by Mac Anamourlis
Thanks for this, but I really find it difficult to believe some of these numbers:
I fully understand your skepticism regarding the large contrast in numbers.

However, that being said, spend a couple of days hanging around your local drag-strip and you'll begin to understand what is actually happening.

You'll begin to see why there are such stark differences once human reflexes, air quality, track preparation and mechanical performance all come into play. You'll see why one guy with a ZO6 can't get out of the 13s while his friend with the same exact car is running mid-11s. It's not really a big mystery; it's just a question of balance ... sprinkled with some luck ...
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Originally Posted by suhaas307
And does the addition of the power-kit improve on that time? Even marginally?
According to the North American owners manual the power kit speed things up only 1/10th of a second. I think that's conservatism again.

John in Vancouver
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Thanks for the prompt responses.

I think what really matters is mid-range and roll-on performance. If the power-kit improves that, then it's probably a good option to have?
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Originally Posted by suhaas307
Thanks for the prompt responses.

I think what really matters is mid-range and roll-on performance. If the power-kit improves that, then it's probably a good option to have?
More horsepower always helps, especially when you're able to get it down to the pavement.
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Originally Posted by carrerapete
I fully understand your skepticism regarding the large contrast in numbers.

However, that being said, spend a couple of days hanging around your local drag-strip and you'll begin to understand what is actually happening.

You'll begin to see why there are such stark differences once human reflexes, air quality, track preparation and mechanical performance all come into play. You'll see why one guy with a ZO6 can't get out of the 13s while his friend with the same exact car is running mid-11s. It's not really a big mystery; it's just a question of balance ... sprinkled with some luck ...
Makes sense... one easily assumes that with PDK, Sport+ and Launch control, we're all going to match Porsche's figures... but there are other variables too.


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