Would you trade a GTS for a GT3?
10-08-2015, 07:17 PM
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I will admit right here that I have not read all, or even most, of these posts. Drive both cars!
I was trying to determine whether to buy 997.2 GT3 from a friend (2010) or 993tt. You don't get much of a chance to test drive either. My friend give me his GT3 in exchange for my 993NA for a month long test. After about an hour in the GT3 I determined that I would lose my driving privileges in a few short weeks. It is a fabulous car. It makes incredible sounds, that begin around 4 grand and become more beautiful right up to an amazing redline. Forget 3rd gear, redline in 2nd will find you well north of 100mph. If you like beautiful engine sounds, this car is the crack of street cars. Just my opinion, but I know my weaknesses.
I was trying to determine whether to buy 997.2 GT3 from a friend (2010) or 993tt. You don't get much of a chance to test drive either. My friend give me his GT3 in exchange for my 993NA for a month long test. After about an hour in the GT3 I determined that I would lose my driving privileges in a few short weeks. It is a fabulous car. It makes incredible sounds, that begin around 4 grand and become more beautiful right up to an amazing redline. Forget 3rd gear, redline in 2nd will find you well north of 100mph. If you like beautiful engine sounds, this car is the crack of street cars. Just my opinion, but I know my weaknesses.
10-08-2015, 07:42 PM
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TRADE GTS FOR GT3 ?
Having owned a 997.2 GT3 and now owning a 997.1 GT3 and a 991, I can say that the GT3 is not a daily driver for most people. If you like the manual transmission in a performance car then the GT3 will be boring. If you track a lot, get the GT3, as it will kill most other cars. There are some reliability issues with the new GT3 motor (check the 997 GT3 forum on the PDK GT4).
I would not trade the MT GTS for a GT3, at least not for a daily driver.
I would not trade the MT GTS for a GT3, at least not for a daily driver.
10-08-2015, 07:51 PM
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i own a 991 GT3 ,and had a 991 CS immediately prior to that, both I have driven for around 1500 miles, never driven a GTS
1. GT3 is as comfortable as the CS
2. GT3 can be dd without any issues., other than clearance issues , more expensive tires etc.
3. never tracked either one , but the GT3 wins there
4. GT3 does not like to be driven slowly, so if your daily compute is all traffic, GTS is better
5. I worry a little bit more about GT3 as compared CS, so sometimes I miss that aspect of CS.
6. GT3 feels more special, that is good and bad, good because driving it leaves you amazed every time, bad because you feel you want to drive it only when you can enjoy it and have time to do that.For example, if I want to rush and grab grocery at the end of a busy hectic day, I avoid taking the GT3 because I feel I don't have the time to enjoy it
hope this helps
1. GT3 is as comfortable as the CS
2. GT3 can be dd without any issues., other than clearance issues , more expensive tires etc.
3. never tracked either one , but the GT3 wins there
4. GT3 does not like to be driven slowly, so if your daily compute is all traffic, GTS is better
5. I worry a little bit more about GT3 as compared CS, so sometimes I miss that aspect of CS.
6. GT3 feels more special, that is good and bad, good because driving it leaves you amazed every time, bad because you feel you want to drive it only when you can enjoy it and have time to do that.For example, if I want to rush and grab grocery at the end of a busy hectic day, I avoid taking the GT3 because I feel I don't have the time to enjoy it
hope this helps
10-08-2015, 07:53 PM
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Really? Can you expand on that?
10-08-2015, 07:54 PM
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10-08-2015, 08:30 PM
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I can.
The 991 GT3 (drove it at the Hockenheimring and its surroundings) has been tuned to be comfortable and forgiving. It is not like the GT3s of the 997 and 996 generation. Not even close.
To get any pleasure from that car you got to be going about 110 mph, no joke. That is when it comes alive. The PDK makes it easy to drive as a DD, no clutch no G50 (from the 996 Cup car) gear box, etc. Put it in auto (curiously that is what most track guys do ON THE TRACK) and drive.
The 991 GT3 (drove it at the Hockenheimring and its surroundings) has been tuned to be comfortable and forgiving. It is not like the GT3s of the 997 and 996 generation. Not even close.
To get any pleasure from that car you got to be going about 110 mph, no joke. That is when it comes alive. The PDK makes it easy to drive as a DD, no clutch no G50 (from the 996 Cup car) gear box, etc. Put it in auto (curiously that is what most track guys do ON THE TRACK) and drive.
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10-08-2015, 08:47 PM
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10-08-2015, 09:25 PM
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I used to own a 997.2 TT, drove the hell out of it as a DD, track and B road car. Moved on to a 991 C4S, comfy DD car, never lacked refinement for daily commutes and long leisurely drives, but lacked oomph on track and B roads. Traded C4S in for a 991 GT3, which I use as DD too into the city and on school runs etc. I take this care everywhere - grocery shopping errands, and u name it. Its driveable daily, in crawling traffic and moderate speeds, and you can use this at the track and for spirited weekend B raods too. Its an all-in-one IMHO, esp since its a PDK now. Sure the ride is lower and stiffer, the car noisier with mechanical sounds, clearance lower and no back seats .... but its sports car is it not?
Get the GT3, YOLO.
Get the GT3, YOLO.
10-08-2015, 09:38 PM
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I used to own a 997.2 TT, drove the hell out of it as a DD, track and B road car. Moved on to a 991 C4S, comfy DD car, never lacked refinement for daily commutes and long leisurely drives, but lacked oomph on track and B roads. Traded C4S in for a 991 GT3, which I use as DD too into the city and on school runs etc. I take this care everywhere - grocery shopping errands, and u name it. Its driveable daily, in crawling traffic and moderate speeds, and you can use this at the track and for spirited weekend B raods too. Its an all-in-one IMHO, esp since its a PDK now. Sure the ride is lower and stiffer, the car noisier with mechanical sounds, clearance lower and no back seats .... but its sports car is it not?
Get the GT3, YOLO.
Get the GT3, YOLO.
10-08-2015, 10:22 PM
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I daily a 991 GT3.
Came from a 991 C4S.
Honestly, there's no difference in terms of ride quality or comfort for either as a DD.
The only downside is the poorer MPG with the GT3.
As the aforementioned ground clearance. The GT3 actually has higher ground clearance with the FAL than a GTS (with the added standard front lip spoiler).
If you plan on using the backseat, then I suppose the GTS is a better choice. But then if you plan on using the backseat, you have other things to really think about before buying a 911 of any kind methinks.
Good luck with your decision.
Came from a 991 C4S.
Honestly, there's no difference in terms of ride quality or comfort for either as a DD.
The only downside is the poorer MPG with the GT3.
As the aforementioned ground clearance. The GT3 actually has higher ground clearance with the FAL than a GTS (with the added standard front lip spoiler).
If you plan on using the backseat, then I suppose the GTS is a better choice. But then if you plan on using the backseat, you have other things to really think about before buying a 911 of any kind methinks.
Good luck with your decision.
10-08-2015, 11:14 PM
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I own a GT3. I also drove a GTS but not until after my GT3 purchase.
Comparing the two, I find the GT3 just civilized enough for occasional daily use (sunny days only) as it's ride is noticeably choppier and it is also has more road noise especially with sand or rocks hitting the fender wells. It's stock Michelin Pilot Sport cup tires are poor in the rain and unusable below freezing. The lack of rear seats do not bother me as I never use them for anything more than groceries and small packages.
The GT3's unique very high performance PDK gear box makes the regular 911 GTS PDK seem a bit slower and more reserved but in doing this it effectively lacks an overdrive gear as top speed is reached in 7th gear. So at 75-80 mph you will be turning over 3000 rpm instead of around 2000 in the GTS, so highway mileage suffers with a limit of around 20 mpg compared to probably mid to high 20's with the GTS.
Even though the GTS is the highest performing non GT or Turbo 911, it's a long way off from the far sportier driving experience you will get in a GT3.
The GTS would be more practical and more comfortable if truly driven daily with a wide variety of weather conditions.
GT3's are holding their value extremely well and are likely to continue to do so.
GTS's not so much although they may do better than a regular 911 or 911S.
It's too bad you can't drive a GT3 before deciding. The two cars are different enough that if I were you, I would be reluctant to buy the GT3 with out a test drive. If you did I believe you would have your answer one way or the other very quickly.
Where do you live? Perhaps a forum member could give you a quick test drive.
Comparing the two, I find the GT3 just civilized enough for occasional daily use (sunny days only) as it's ride is noticeably choppier and it is also has more road noise especially with sand or rocks hitting the fender wells. It's stock Michelin Pilot Sport cup tires are poor in the rain and unusable below freezing. The lack of rear seats do not bother me as I never use them for anything more than groceries and small packages.
The GT3's unique very high performance PDK gear box makes the regular 911 GTS PDK seem a bit slower and more reserved but in doing this it effectively lacks an overdrive gear as top speed is reached in 7th gear. So at 75-80 mph you will be turning over 3000 rpm instead of around 2000 in the GTS, so highway mileage suffers with a limit of around 20 mpg compared to probably mid to high 20's with the GTS.
Even though the GTS is the highest performing non GT or Turbo 911, it's a long way off from the far sportier driving experience you will get in a GT3.
The GTS would be more practical and more comfortable if truly driven daily with a wide variety of weather conditions.
GT3's are holding their value extremely well and are likely to continue to do so.
GTS's not so much although they may do better than a regular 911 or 911S.
It's too bad you can't drive a GT3 before deciding. The two cars are different enough that if I were you, I would be reluctant to buy the GT3 with out a test drive. If you did I believe you would have your answer one way or the other very quickly.
Where do you live? Perhaps a forum member could give you a quick test drive.