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A lot of you seem to forget when a 460hp C7 Grand Sport with a manual transmission was only .1 of a second behind a GT3 RS at the VIR long course... The C8 ZO6 will have no problems competing against a GT3 or RS.
A lot of you seem to forget when a 460hp C7 Grand Sport with a manual transmission was only .1 of a second behind a GT3 RS at the VIR long course... The C8 ZO6 will have no problems competing against a GT3 or RS.
But to be fair, that GT3RS was a very soft car. The .2 GT3RS is 6 seconds faster in the same track which is 3 seconds faster than the 650 hp Z06. But I think the new Z06 will easily out perform the GT3 and will be a tad bit slower than the GT3RS.
It actually does not look that cheap in person. I have seen C8s and I own a C7 ZR1. I think it looks unique and different, cheap? No. In fact, my ZR1 has far more carbon fiber than my GT3RS and the quality of carbon fiber weave/manufacturing process (paint and clear coat) is far better than Porsche's. Mclaren's look a lot busier than C8 Z06. What C8 has is very sharp edges vs Porsche's very curvy smooth design. I like them both but prefer Porsche more but Corvettes truly have unique characteristics. They are really overbuilt from a drive train perspective. I wish we could get a GT3RS and a ZR1 on a lift and get under them and compare. Its impossible explain this in a forum post.
There's a difference between quality manufacturing/components/materials and quality design. I'm talking about the latter. The actual visual design and aesthetic of every modern Corvette (hell most American sports cars) is just gaudy to me. That's my personal opinion. It's not about carbon fiber vs plastic. It's about shape, proportion, curves, etc.
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There's a difference between quality manufacturing/components/materials and quality design. I'm talking about the latter. The actual visual design and aesthetic of every modern Corvette is just gaudy/cheap to me. That's my personal opinion. It's not about carbon fiber vs plastic. It's about shape, proportion, curves, etc. American sports cars are just loud and gaudy IMO.
Yes, they are "cheesy". I dont disagree. But there is so much more to a car than how they appear. They have this sheer brute force mission statement that the Germans cant match. Remember those Apollo missions with the Saturn V rocket and the F1 engines? You should watch some documentaries if you dont remember The resourcefulness of GM is unparalleled. The 5.5 liter 110% VE is a big middle finger to the EU regulatory driven/too afraid to stand up manufacturers. Every thing about this engine is over the top. I'm sure there are many employees working for Ferrari who must be so upset with the direction their company has taken vs what the Americans have been able to achieve.
GM simply does not give a **** about emissions and noise regulations. The ZR1 they built had two sets of injectors because of amount of fuel it sucked. Its front splitter and bumper did not even come close to passing these "pedestrian" regulations as a result the car cant even be sold in EU. To me what is amazing isnt the car or I should say the position the company takes towards these silly EU regulations far outweighs the performance of the car.
The tires on my more powerful ZR1 lasted 12,000 miles. I think 5k miles is unrealistic and this is with 720 ftlbs of torque and 800 hp.
What tires does this one come with? The Sport Cup 2s on my RS lasted about 9K miles. But after a few track days they were heat cycled out. Still fine on the street though. But yeah, if you track a lot, they definitely won't last that long. 5K miles sounds about right for mostly street with a handful of solid track days sprinkled in.
What tires does this one come with? The Sport Cup 2s on my RS lasted about 9K miles. But after a few track days they were heat cycled out. Still fine on the street though. But yeah, if you track a lot, they definitely won't last that long. 5K miles sounds about right for mostly street with a handful of solid track days sprinkled in.
No track miles. Cup2 ZPs. They come with 5.5/32” thread brand new. Quite a bit different than cup2s on GT3s.
No track miles. Cup2 ZPs. They come with 5.5/32” thread brand new. Quite a bit different than cup2s on GT3s.
It's more about rubber compound. After a few heat cycles Cup 2s are done. At least for track use. Still fine on the street though. So if you're not tracking, disregard.
Also the tread depth is larger on the Cup 2s for the GT3Rs than these new ZPs... 7.2 vs 5.7 (according to Michelin's website).
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But to be fair, that GT3RS was a very soft car. The .2 GT3RS is 6 seconds faster in the same track which is 3 seconds faster than the 650 hp Z06. But I think the new Z06 will easily out perform the GT3 and will be a tad bit slower than the GT3RS.
I guess everyone has an excuse to justify the outrageous price of a Porsche...
I wonder how many people were calling the GT3 RS a "soft car" then...
I'm willing to bet the soft comment was directed to its spring rates/ride quality, which are significantly softer than the .2 RS has...now to imply that's the reason for its 6 second time difference is certainly overlooking the fact that the .2 GT3RS was on Cup 2 R tires
I'm willing to bet the soft comment was directed to its spring rates/ride quality, which are significantly softer than the .2 RS has...now to imply that's the reason for its 6 second time difference is certainly overlooking the fact that the .2 GT3RS was on Cup 2 R tires
Its the lamest excuse I can possibly imagine. Porsches all out track assault weapon beat a standard engined Corvette with less power, with its slow manual transmission, and its front engined/rear wheel drive traction handicaps, with some handling trickery added, by one tenth of a second and the excuse is... well, that RS had soft shocks.
LMAO.
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this is what Car and Driver had to say about the suspension in the Grand Sport.
"From behind the wheel, the two cars are pretty much identical. The competition seats are the same, the steering is just as heavy, and the shifter is just as likely to find fifth gear instead of third as it is in the Z06. Both have the same supernatural stability, stiff springing, gentle damping, and generous wheel travel. We’d have a hard time justifying the extra spend for the Z06."
11-01-2021, 04:59 PM
The resourcefulness of GM is unparalleled. The 5.5 liter 110% VE is a big middle finger to the EU regulatory driven/too afraid to stand up manufacturers. Every thing about this engine is over the top. I'm sure there are many employees working for Ferrari who must be so upset with the direction their company has taken vs what the Americans have been able to achieve.
