wintershade

Anyone here go from a 992TTS to a 992 GT3?

I’ve had my 992 TTS for 18 months. It’s amazingly capable, just not all that fun to drive at sane speeds, sort of clinical. Went full Kline exhaust, it was just louder, not really more emotional to drive. I daily drive it. It feels (and is) so big. Harder to park than my X3. Feels like piloting a space ship.

Had a deal worked up to trade for a 993TT, but PPI turned up a lot of issues and seller and I couldn’t meet on price. Got sick of looking at mediocre cars being offered at concourse prices.

Local dealer has a nice 992 MT wing car. Almost perfect spec. Prices on GT3 have come down enough that the trade would be close enough to even money trade.

I drove 991 and 992 GT3 on track. But not on street, and haven’t “lived” with one. My biggest worry is the 992 GT3 feeling a bit dead on the street, given reports car really doesn’t wake up until 5K RPM. And that it would just feel equally massive and too capable to be rewarding on public roads.

soulsea

GT3 manual will be a smidgen slower on the street, but so much more fun to drive.

Do it yesterday.

AlexCeres

Hmmm. The NA cars definitely want to be at least at 4k. They have a lot less torque than the TTS, and they really enjoy being whipped in the be er on the road. A MT will definitely be more engaging but the 992 gt3 is still ridiculously capable. Hard to promise it’s what you want. It’s about the same size as the TTS. Personally I think it feels more like a tasered animal as long as you keep the rpm’s up like god intended. It’s a lot less comfortable for highway cruising than the TTS. The TTS is extremely overkill for most public street driving.

MaxLTV

GT3 is even more capable in terms of grip, but much slower at low speeds (no AWD and not much low-end torque), so it's even harder to get it to an exciting state at lower speeds unless the sound of the engine alone is exciting enough (it does sound much better than Turbo). It has more vibration, so it may make it more exciting too. It does not feel smaller than turbo at lower speeds but does feel more nimble at high speeds(60mph+, or 100MPH to really feel the difference).

So if Turbo left you wanting, I'd recommend at least test-driving a GT3 before pulling the trigger, and test-driving in a way to would normally drive it rather than going on a super-fun road where almost any car would put a smile on your face. GT3 is more emotive and raw than Turbo, but also even more "clinical" - precise and predictable in its responses and capable to the extreme. I do not consider either car too clinical, but it's probably because I prefer the car to do precisely what I want, and enjoy it my asking for more and seeing it deliver still deliver what I asked, precisely.

supershaft

I went from a tuned 4s to a gt3. Frankly the entire lineup of turbo 911s sound leave so much to be desired that I'd never go back to one. The handling is the cherry on top.

ipse dixit

GT3 not for you.

Stick with the TTS, or consider something else.

catdog2

992 manual GT3 is a lot of fun but more involving and a lot more rolling road noise otherwise handling is go-cart like fast response and engine response is engaging. Depends what you are looking for, if you were considering a 993 TT then a 992 GT3 may be the right sensory overload modern equivalent as long as you cut it a break over its lower end (but not absent) grunt. It has super throttle response and in manual will be engaging. It will be less comfortable over bad roads and louder on long trips so it's not the all weather ultimate sports/grand tourer that the 992TT is.

Also consider going back to basics with a 992 T or S with a manual as another option if you need daily comfortable but more involving (of course slower) than TT.

Also you can keep your TT and add a 991T manual and tune it, super fun.. another option that will get you a 500hp playful torquey rwd with perfect size and light controls. No single 911 variant will scratch all itches all the time, you need multiple ones for each mood state

After trading in 992TT you will regret it as it offers amazing amazing performance and is the right tool on certain days that nothing can touch.

https://youtu.be/psYWtQvMznA

Justaroofer

To his point going from a 992tts to anything else with lower hp/tq will just feel like a disappointment.

The problem here is the 992tts is so damn good it makes everything too easy.

vcp13

If you get a manual gt3, yes go for it. You lose he grunt, but the manual revs so beautifully it’s intoxicating. The gt3 is so very light and alive (compared to a tts), you will love it. If you want a pdk, I’d switch to a gt4 rs which brings all the noise even at road legal-ish speeds. These cars all cost about the same and my guess is they will depreciate the same, given production quantities of each. That means you can easily reverse any decision at a relatively low cost. I’ve owned all 3 and enthusiastically recommend all 3.

One important caveat. I live in a suburban environment with nice undulating and windy roads. If I had to deal with a lot of cobblestone roads or stop and go traffic or a street grid I might have a different opinion.

porsche518

Gonna need an exhaust on it. In sport mode or with a manual you can keep the revs in fun range easily.

wintershade

Thanks for the replies so far. Please keep them coming. Helpful perspectives.

As other have said, my view is I can always get another 992 TTS. It will never be new again, or my exact spec, but plenty out there and my hunch is depreciation hit will be harder than a GT product, if history is a guide. Turbo values seem about to roll off a cliff.

I’m pretty firmly in the MT camp to add a little bit of engagement. I considered the 4RS. I just think that starts to go a little too extreme on the race car looks. I saw one on the road and it looked kind of dumb. Can’t imagine driving that to work 1-2x week, but somehow the winged GT3 I think I could. It really doesn’t look all that much crazier than the Turbo with its massive size scoops.

In the long run, I think the earlier cars 997, 993, 964 is probably what I’m after for the street. But those cars will always be there and this is kind of last call for getting a new 992 GT3.

bubba928

Perhaps widen your search to a 7/3 or even a 6/3 for more connection on public roads?

Chris C.

I love the fact that the car is understated and not maniacal on power delivery, until you want it to be. Linear, mechanical - like a 911 should be

If you want low end power with more engagement than a TTS, there are other 911s for you! Go get a manual GTS.

993s are pretty but too slow. Would never pay 992 Gt3 prices for one personally, and the 993 TT had no power below 4K rpm - more like an NA car in that respect

darylbowden

IMO the 993TT is not at all what you're looking for. It's the first AWD TT and being such an early AWD car, it really drives differently than any other AC car IMO, it really was their first step in turning the TT cars into grand tourers. If I were going for an air-cooled turbo car, my first choice would be a 964 3.6T (probably too expensive though), then a 964 3.3TT, then a 930 (a good one, ideally one of the later years - 1989 is fantastic for the 5 speed, but also very rare).

Anyhow, I love the 992 GT3, but if you're looking for fun at sane speeds, it probably isn't the car either. It's definitely not "dead" on the street and is a very engaging driving experience but it really does wake up above 4.5k RPM and that's basically illegal speeds in any gear after 2nd.

I also have a 1990 964 C2 and a 1986 3.2 Targa - those are both incredibly fun at sane speeds. If I were presented with your money (let's say 250k for arguments sake), I'd probably buy a nice 991.2 Carrera T (should be around 100-120k or so) and a really nice 964 C2 coupe (should also be around 100k). I think those will give you both a modern and classic interpretation of a focused 911 and provide smiles for years. An that Carrera T is a wonderful track car as well, if not as focused as a GT3 obviously.

Manifold

Do an alignment on TTS and put Cup 2 on it before judging. Those simple changes will sharpen up the response of the TTS considerably.

For alignment, need about 1.5-2.0 degrees camber in front and about 0.5 degrees more than that in the rear. From the factory, the cars come with 1 degree or less in the front, which is not enough.