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Old 02-22-2024, 01:31 PM
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This car is a monster. That is all I can say. C&D vid is released.




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Old 02-22-2024, 03:42 PM
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992 3RS came out 1.3 secs per minute faster than the 992 GT3. That delta is significant, but it's not really big, and a driver will need the skill and confidence to make use of the aero downforce in order maintain that gap over the GT3. I continue to think that this 3RS, because it has so much aero, really wants to be a 2RS. With a lot more power stuffed into a 3RS, the car will truly be a monster, would probably move to the top of the leaderboard.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
992 3RS came out 1.3 secs per minute faster than the 992 GT3. That delta is significant, but it's not really big, and a driver will need the skill and confidence to make use of the aero downforce in order maintain that gap over the GT3. I continue to think that this 3RS, because it has so much aero, really wants to be a 2RS. With a lot more power stuffed into a 3RS, the car will truly be a monster, would probably move to the top of the leaderboard.
3.4 seconds over the lap is pretty big difference in my book. Certainly better bang for buck upgrade over the GT3 than the MR package (though that lets you keep a manual gearbox).

And it is faster than 991.2 GT2 RS (and all the non-Senna McLarens) with hundreds more hp and tq...

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Originally Posted by GrantG
3.4 seconds over the lap is pretty big difference in my book. Certainly better bang for buck upgrade over the GT3 than the MR package (though that lets you keep a manual gearbox).

And it is faster than 991.2 GT2 RS (and all the non-Senna McLarens) with hundreds more hp and tq...
It's quite a long lap, hence my measuring the delta in secs per minute.

Grip often wins the day over hp and tq. The aero of the 3RS might produce the highest downforce of any production car? I don't know how the Cup 2R compares with the tires on the McLarens.
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Senna generates more downforce until 155mph.
The Macs come with Trofeo R's
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Originally Posted by Manifold
It's quite a long lap, hence my measuring the delta in secs per minute.
Understood. My local lap is about 2 minutes, so about a 3 second delta is still a pretty big deal (after I’ve been chasing tenths).

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Old 02-22-2024, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Understood. My local lap is about 2 minutes, so about a 3 second delta is still a pretty big deal (after I’ve been chasing tenths).
My local lap is about 1:20, so 2+ minute laps feel long to me!

I'm no longer chasing tenths or even trying to get faster. I think my fastest days are in the past, so just trying to avoid getting slower too quickly.

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That delta over a GT3 is massive, in total or per mile, minute or whatever. It does take more skill to extract for sure and the quote from Scott Speed who was there is telling, also matches what many here were saying when the RS first debuted.

The 2RS hybrid or not, is going to be an absolute monster. The chassis can handle so much more.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
It's quite a long lap, hence my measuring the delta in secs per minute.

Grip often wins the day over hp and tq. The aero of the 3RS might produce the highest downforce of any production car? I don't know how the Cup 2R compares with the tires on the McLarens.
Still, 1.3s per minute is massive at this level, where further progression in speed gets exponentially harder. It's about the same as the difference between 765LT and 600LT - one whole class up and +60% to the price - or about the difference between a faster advanced track-day driver and a pro.
Indeed, it's interesting to see what it can do with more power.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
I'm no longer chasing tenths or even trying to get faster. I think my fastest days are in the past, so just trying to avoid getting slower too quickly.
Yeah, I've been trading for a newer model every few years to offset the effects of the aging process
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Old 02-22-2024, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by signes
The chassis can handle so much more.
Fully agree. In a way it made driving the 3RS somewhat frustrating because the chassis was begging for more power.
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Originally Posted by MaxLTV
Still, 1.3s per minute is massive at this level, where further progression in speed gets exponentially harder. It's about the same as the difference between 765LT and 600LT - one whole class up and +60% to the price - or about the difference between a faster advanced track-day driver and a pro.
Indeed, it's interesting to see what it can do with more power.
I know what you mean, and agree that each second becomes exponentially harder. In racing, the difference would be massive indeed. For DE and non-pro drivers who aren't really near the limit, the difference doesn't seem massive to me, and it's about the same difference as Cup 2 vs Cup 2R.

With 2RS power, I think the car will really work as a package and dominate at DEs.
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A stock, new, ZO6 is quicker than a GT3 MR? I don't even know how to comprehend that one. May need to stop by the Chevy dealership.
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A stock, new, ZO6 is quicker than a GT3 MR? I don't even know how to comprehend that one. May need to stop by the Chevy dealership.
Yep, Kudos to GM (especially, if that motor is their NA swan song). The car doesn't appeal to me, but it does impress me.
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Originally Posted by Mvez
This car is a monster. That is all I can say. C&D vid is released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6cDQvBa35g

I've said it before.... the Ford GT is NOT a supercar, hypercar, or any of the sorts, it's a polished turd.


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