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95 lbs. (3349 v. 3254) but still somewhat misleading as T weight is with rear seat delete while GTS is not. If you rear seat delete in GTS, you are even closer. Bigger turbos on the GTS will always weigh more. So, maybe 55 - 60 lbs. weight difference but GTS turbos and factory tune provide 100 more hp. Buyers choice depending on what is important to the individual.
Originally Posted by CanAutM3
Specced similarly, there might be a ~20lb difference at most between the two.
My bad - alas, with the PCCB, and FAL (might cancel each other out?), I bet the weight difference stays consistent - valid point about the CF roof however.
My bad - but that's 84 lbs, and then, per the OPs post, he is adding FAL and PDCC, so we are at least 100, not sure how you could actually go down in weight by adding those options
Good point. But I was assuming same options (weight) would be added to both builds. For truly identical builds, the increased weight between the two models is only in the GTS bigger turbos, bigger brakes and additional helper springs.
Good point. But I was assuming same options (weight) would be added to both builds. For truly identical builds, the increased weight between the two models is only in the GTS bigger turbos, bigger brakes and additional helper springs.
Wait, I'm not crazy - on my phone, here are the numbers - on the computer they are different
All you are going to get here are biased answers. I imagine 90+% of GTS owners will say "get the GTS" and the same with T owners. You drove a GTS and will have the chance to drive the T. Decide which YOU like best and order it. You are in the enviable position of having the opportunity to test drive both before ordering. Take advantage of that.
You mentioned responsiveness was something you desired. The T has the same engine with smaller turbos, so that means it will spool the turbos faster and at a lower RPM. A common theme I have picked up on from reviews is how N/A the engine feels. The lighter weight also contributes to responsiveness.
You mention wanting to pass the car down, and it seems to me that power wont be the thing that is special about any of these cars. Seeing how things are going with electric motors etc.
Rarity wise neither are limited production cars, but the GTS has been available for more years of production. So it would be my guess that there would be less T's out there in the world.
Doug, you are not crazy. I did not intend any offense. I apologize for not explaining my figure better. My bad. To compare weights we need to compare apples to apples. Check what is listed on the configurator as “standard equipment” on both the GTS and the T and compare…especially the transmissions. The weight of 3433 for the GTS is with standard equipment- which is listed as a PDK with Sport Chrono, not a MT. The MT is an option on the GTS. The “standard equipment “ listed for the T is the exact opposite. However, the PDK carries an 88 - 90 lb. weight penalty over the MT. If you take the 3433 GTS weight and back out the PDK weight delta above the MT weight you get to my figure. That leaves about another 85 - 100 lbs. difference. If we now take out the 55 lb. Porsche advertised weight savings of the “lightweight package including rear seat delete” (sounds high to me?), we are roughly at 3290 lbs. This remaining 40 lb. weight difference between the GTS and T is explained by the extra weight of bigger turbos, bigger brakes and helper springs on the GTS. Porsche only sends one 911 down the production line. The basic car weighs the same. The weight difference is just how the car is built out. So a base, T, S and GTS all start with the same basic chassis, suspension and engine with identical weight. Differing build outs result in different weights. In other words, a MT 992S with the same lightweight package as the T weighs the same as a T except for the added weight of the bigger turbos on the S which (with the factory tune) produces an additional 64 hp and 59 ft. lbs. of torque. Sorry, if I am making this even more confusing, but you cannot compare weights without using identical specs or builds.
If you're in a situation where you need to spool the turbos up off the line, hold the brake down and mash the throttle. Other than that, you're going to be in the right gear to boogie, so the whole responsive turbo debate, can be debated.
That being said, there seems to be a ton of Ts configured to more $ than my GTS.
OP is probably one of the many folks that make $600k a year on here, but $210k is a lot for a GTS, and you'll be taking a bath on resale, but you said it's a forever car, so who cares about resale.
It’s interesting to think about what would make one of these cars “special” and worthy of buying as a forever car and passing on to your son. IMO, no turbo 992 will be special in 10-20 years. Once the electrification and hybrid power plants are the norm, cars with 1000+HP and massive acceleration numbers will be the norm. What will drive nostalgia will be sound and manual gearboxes. Turbos just diminish the sound too much, so the only cars that will be special IMO are manual GT cars and the manual 4.0 NA cars left in the lineup. So if you want a 911, and a GT3 is a poor fit for how you are going to use it, just buy the one you want to drive now.
GTS:
You'll spend more time on the brakes than the gas pedal.
If you like turbos, get a kick out of accelerating fast in a straight line, this is the better option for you.
T:
You'll spend more time on the gas pedal than the brakes.
If you like NA, lighter/momentum cars, and get a kick out of going fast in twisty roads, this is the better option for you.
Both great but excel at different things.
Don't fall for the noob, simple minded idea that "more (cost, HP, etc.) is better". It isn't. Buy the right tool for your preferences, environment, and intended use. GTS is great for Florida. T is great for NorCal.
The above is unbiassed. Here's my biassed opinion: Having owned over a dozen 911s of all generations and favors from aircooled to GT cars, and as someone who prefers NA, manual, and more visceral, analog experiences, the Carrera T is the only non-GT 911 that interests me. I own one now and I get a second one in a couple of weeks. My other 911s currently include a 7.2 GT3, a 7.1 GT3 RS, and a 911 ST tribute.
I has the 2022 GTS. I sold it, didn't like or enjoy the build that much. Anyhow, last year I had the option to pick a S, T or a GTS...
I went with GTS still. I have a GR86, which is a great fun car and wanted something way up there. So went with GTS. It had options that T didn't had. Definitely could have same amount of fun on the T. But it is your choice at the end and a tough one. With the GTS, you get the T/S and a G too
I have a T. Get the GTS if it's your first 911, otherwise you'd be left wondering what to would feel like if you had the GTS instead of the T (like me). However, you could swap the turbos then tune it for several thousand and end up with GTS with smol brakes.
The 911 is so fast on the street, I'm already dodging cars like it's a video game.
If you don't care for power, then just get the T and save some money. Adding power is cheap and easy.
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