zscaler

M4 is cheaper than all the cars listed, but it will spank a base Carrera, Corvette, LC500 (why is this even in the list who knows) and Vantage any day of the week at a roll out. For much less price.

I have been driving a 911 since 2003 and owned every generation, current 992 imo is the best of breed, but M4 is definitely a spectacular car for the money.

CZS

Agree. Don't get me wrong I love my 992 but don't sleep on the G80/82s, they're fantastic cars and surprisingly engaging.

M3Inline6

Agreed!

ipse dixit

Straight line speed is overrated and useless in most instances.

And, no, an M4 will not spank a C8 Z06 in any meaningful metric.

Patton250

Do you live on a race track?? :-). We spend our lives in our cars going in straight lines. At least I do man.

And a tuned G 82 absolutely will spank a C8 Z06. Hell a tuned G 82 will spank a stock turbo S. For some reason unknown to me they are pulling some magic out of those BMW engines. I don’t understand it, but there are plenty of videos and dragy results on it. Scary.

PorscheObsessed

We either live on a racetrack or live our life qtr mile at a time. Those are the choices.

ipse dixit

You need to get out more.

And using a tuning as a way to normalize the comparison is, well, just inapt. But you do you.

Patton250

I spend my life out, unfortunately. I really need to spend more time in. Lol :-)

My only point was the engine in the BMW is superior than what the Corvette has in my opinion and many other peoples opinions that know hell of a lot more about these things than I do. . Now, if you think that makes me happy it doesn’t. I would like to see some American ingenuity come up with some stuff to kick some European asses. I’m just not seen it yet. I keep hearing it’s coming, but I don’t see it. Even the parts on the BMW car inside and outside are superior to what the Corvette has. That bums me out also. Why can’t Chevrolet just charge 30-50 grand more for the Corvette and make it all wheel drive and use luxury Parts on the inside and outside? I don’t know. I do think the Corvette is vastly better looking than the M4. Not even close in my opinion. I think it’s better looking than most sports cars out there, including Porsche cars.

M3Inline6

The motors have been strong for a very, very long time. The first gen N54 was a tank that could take heaping amounts of boost. The S54, S55 and S58 are gems.

Bluehighways

I looked at the LC500 and the C8 Corvette before I bought my 992. Both much less expensive than my 992. I've had a few Corvettes and they IMHO don't age well. The LC500 was tempting, but it's just not in any way a sporting car. Not a fan of Mercedes quality and we already have a couple of BMW's, which I do like, but they're our daily drivers and I don't really think of them as special in any particular way.

Foures

m3 is def a sports car or sports sedan if you want to be pedantic. You can’t buy them bc everyone wants them. Many 911s are touring cars so I don’t really get the whole “ m3 isn’t a sports car “ take or if that’s your viewpoint then you should be logically consistent.

718s are more of sports cars than non-GT 911s are.

zscaler

I didn't say Z06, i stated c8 (base). M4 will spank the **** out of base C8 in straight line or at the track as well, same for 992 C2/T (base)

And for the Porsche part will do it for much less money (with same options about 50K less money)

double-o-seven

Personally, I'd take Jaguar F-Type V8 any day over M4's, C8's, AMG GT's, and LC500's. Even in its 10th year (and the final year) of production, the F-Type (X152) has timeless elegance, unique personality, and soul that none of its competitors can match. Double wishbone suspension front and back. All-aluminum riveted and bonded chassis (i.e. built like an aircraft fuselage). Adjustable camber and caster in the front wishbones (quite unusual relative to competitor products), and adjustable rear tie rods as factory spec (also unusual). All of this suspension adjustability from the get-go suggests Jag's racing genes were still embedded in the F-Type's design footprint from the beginning.

Do the consumers really care about any of such engineering contents that are NOT advertised by anyone in the first place? I think not.

At the end of the day, whether people admit it or not, most consumers of today are simply "brand ******." They are buying into the social acceptance and perceived status of today's "hot" brand, and merely rationalize their brand choices as being somehow better than other choices. They don't really understand sports cars or their underlying engineering. Half of the sports car buyers today just want to look good on social network photos and to their social circles. Superficial, callous, and inconvenient facts they are.

3uros

I dunno about an M4 "spanking" a base C2. From what I can tell, they're actually evenly matched....remember the G8X twins have more power but are also much more heavy... check out this video for proof. Of course, we're comparing stock vs. stock..

C2 Laptime 48 seconds
G80 M3 Laptime 48.1 seconds

Tedster

People are overthinking the 48volt hybrid issues. My 2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited has a 48v hybrid system and it is transparent in operation. Jeep still offers a manual with it as well. The bigger battery and generator helps with emissions and makes the stop/start less of an issue. It also fills in the torque while the turbos spool up. If the italians can do it (Jeep engines are made in Termoli, Italy) than I am confident Porsche will be fine. I expect they adopted the technology for the same reasons as Jeep.

The new Jeep eTorque mild hybrid system is a replacement for the traditional alternator. It sports a belt-driven motor generator unit that executes several different functions.

How Does Jeep Wrangler's eTorque Mild Hybrid Technology Work?
A 48-volt battery pack works with the motor generator to create:

a seamless start/stop function;
a short-duration torque addition to the engine crankshaft in particular driving conditions; and,
brake energy regeneration to increase efficiency and responsiveness.
When the engine is running, eTorque's motor generator unit delivers 48-volt current to a 430 watt-hour lithium-ion Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC)-Graphite battery. The battery pack includes a 3-kilowatt DC-to-DC converter. This holds the battery's charge and converts 48 volts to 12 volts so that power can be used to power Jeep Wrangler's accessories and charge its conventional 12-volt lead-acid battery.

About the size of a small suitcase, the air-cooled battery pack is mounted to the interior rear wall of Jeep Wrangler's cabin. The battery pack's case is insulated to hush the noise generate by the dual cooling fans. Cooling air is then drawn from the vehicle interior and released through the built-in cabin exhausters.

Because of its greater efficiency in extreme temperatures, both the 3.6L Pentastar V6 engine and the Turbocharged 2.0L I4 engine with Jeep eTorque technology will keep a traditional 12-volt starter motor, which is ideal for cold starts and the initial start of the day.

Beyond spinning the engine for restarts, the Jeep eTorque also recaptures energy during deceleration and braking to recharge the battery pack. Further, eTorque also bolsters the driving experience of the 2019 and 2020 Jeep Wrangler with additional torque to the crankshaft during gear changes, which minimizes noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH).

Both engines sport a liquid-cooled Jeep eTorque unit mounted on the front of the engine, which uses a pair of belt tensioners to ensure that the 8-rib drive belt stays tight when the unit is generating electricity or adding torque to the crankshaft.

With the eTorque Mild Hybrid system, the 3.6L Pentastar V6 engine boasts 285 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque. Maximum torque arrives later in the rev range, at 4,800 rpm. The Turbocharged 2.0L I4 engine generates best-in-class 270 horsepower, 295 pound-feet of torque.