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04-09-2024, 05:43 PM
#61
How Does Jeep Wrangler's eTorque Mild Hybrid Technology Work?
A 48-volt battery pack works with the motor generator to create:
a seamless start/stop function;
a short-duration torque addition to the engine crankshaft in particular driving conditions; and,
brake energy regeneration to increase efficiency and responsiveness.
When the engine is running, eTorque's motor generator unit delivers 48-volt current to a 430 watt-hour lithium-ion Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC)-Graphite battery. The battery pack includes a 3-kilowatt DC-to-DC converter. This holds the battery's charge and converts 48 volts to 12 volts so that power can be used to power Jeep Wrangler's accessories and charge its conventional 12-volt lead-acid battery.
A 48-volt battery pack works with the motor generator to create:
a seamless start/stop function;
a short-duration torque addition to the engine crankshaft in particular driving conditions; and,
brake energy regeneration to increase efficiency and responsiveness.
When the engine is running, eTorque's motor generator unit delivers 48-volt current to a 430 watt-hour lithium-ion Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC)-Graphite battery. The battery pack includes a 3-kilowatt DC-to-DC converter. This holds the battery's charge and converts 48 volts to 12 volts so that power can be used to power Jeep Wrangler's accessories and charge its conventional 12-volt lead-acid battery.
Oh great, just what we need, a Porsche 911 designed after a Jeep. I don't think that will fly too well with Porsche Advertisers or it's fans.
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Haros (04-15-2024)
04-09-2024, 07:10 PM
#63
Three Wheelin'
Everyone is going to turn the start/stop off in sport mode, so that part of the 48V mild hybrid goes to waste. The real danger is if Porsche doesn't allow it to be turned off in the .2, to get the regulation credits. That would be bad, the aftermarket would scramble to make a defeat module (if possible). There has to be something more to the 48V system in this car, than seamless start stop, because most of the people who buy this car don't care about that. It's going to have to put the electric drive to work as some kind of "mini-KERS" system. Otherwise, just give me the true hybrid variant, even if it means waiting for the 994 to integrate it across the entire model lineup.
04-09-2024, 09:10 PM
#64
I don't think you will be able to turn off start/stop on a hybrid. Every one that I have driven use start/stop as part of the electric portion. As you decelerate to a stop, the engine will shut off and the electric motor will kick in and be used along with brakes to re-generate the battery. When you stop it shuts off to conserve battery. It would be weird to have the engine shut off, battery kick in and the engine turn back on at the full stop. Driving a hybrid is going to be different for most drivers here.
04-09-2024, 09:51 PM
#65
I don't think you will be able to turn off start/stop on a hybrid. Every one that I have driven use start/stop as part of the electric portion. As you decelerate to a stop, the engine will shut off and the electric motor will kick in and be used along with brakes to re-generate the battery. When you stop it shuts off to conserve battery. It would be weird to have the engine shut off, battery kick in and the engine turn back on at the full stop. Driving a hybrid is going to be different for most drivers here.
To turn it off, I put the car in one of the 3 sport modes. I suspect this is what most folks will do, so having a button will not be missed much. I can also 'code' it permanently off using Bimmercode.
04-09-2024, 09:54 PM
#66
Rennlist Member
I have a 48V mild hybrid on my X3 M40i. There's no option to turn off start stop in comfort and eco mode. It's great for long road trips. On a recent drive back from Tahoe to SF, I coasted for nearly 50 miles.
To turn it off, I put the car in one of the 3 sport modes. I suspect this is what most folks will do, so having a button will not be missed much. I can also 'code' it permanently off using Bimmercode.
To turn it off, I put the car in one of the 3 sport modes. I suspect this is what most folks will do, so having a button will not be missed much. I can also 'code' it permanently off using Bimmercode.
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HOTCHKIS (04-10-2024)
04-13-2024, 11:33 PM
#67
Just put a deposit to get on my dealer’s list for a c4s in manual. Sounds like it’ll be a 992.2 model with a 12+ month wait. Currently DDing a 991 c4s in 7 speed and PTS dark olive that I am the second owner of. If the 992.2 doesn’t come in a manual I’ll probably just keep what I have and buy something else. This will be my first 911 I get to spec out and was hoping to get something to keep for the long haul. I guess time will tell.
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alaris (04-15-2024)
04-14-2024, 01:09 AM
#68
RL Community Team
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Just put a deposit to get on my dealer’s list for a c4s in manual. Sounds like it’ll be a 992.2 model with a 12+ month wait. Currently DDing a 991 c4s in 7 speed and PTS dark olive that I am the second owner of. If the 992.2 doesn’t come in a manual I’ll probably just keep what I have and buy something else. This will be my first 911 I get to spec out and was hoping to get something to keep for the long haul. I guess time will tell.
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04-14-2024, 01:36 AM
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04-14-2024, 03:17 AM
#70
Drifting
Just put a deposit to get on my dealer’s list for a c4s in manual. Sounds like it’ll be a 992.2 model with a 12+ month wait. Currently DDing a 991 c4s in 7 speed and PTS dark olive that I am the second owner of. If the 992.2 doesn’t come in a manual I’ll probably just keep what I have and buy something else. This will be my first 911 I get to spec out and was hoping to get something to keep for the long haul. I guess time will tell.
Oh yes…..yes he is! lol!
04-14-2024, 11:07 AM
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04-14-2024, 12:11 PM
#73
Three Wheelin'
I think the point is - they have no idea when they are going to get an allocation, and one that they will give to you at MSRP. It could happen at any time, if their 992.1 order book has some cancellations or others on the list now refuse to pay ADM because the market is loosening up, and they walk, you could get your car sooner. Or the reverse could happen and it could be even longer. Deposits and allocations are totally decoupled from each other given the way things work now.
04-14-2024, 12:18 PM
#74
Rennlist Member
Our local dealer requires zero deposit for local individuals, especially for those that are current/prior Porsche owners. They also sell new Porsches w/o an ADM.
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