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Old 06-11-2019, 02:45 PM
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The issue is feeding the third brake light wire through the rear window seal. One nick and the window shatters since it is tempered.
Old 06-11-2019, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 993c4_Toronto
I'd love to know when in 95 the coups stopped getting basket handles and were switched to the top mounted light.

If anybody has the answer, please chime in.
It's commonly repeated that "late build 1995s" had the roof-mounted third brake light, but my former race car was built in April of 1995 and had the window-mounted light. No evidence whatsoever that the deck lid had holes from the basket handle light filled in and painted either by visual inspection or paint meter.
Old 06-11-2019, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore
It's commonly repeated that "late build 1995s" had the roof-mounted third brake light, but my former race car was built in April of 1995 and had the window-mounted light. No evidence whatsoever that the deck lid had holes from the basket handle light filled in and painted either by visual inspection or paint meter.
The $10.000 question!: Did the "basket handle" disappear at the same date as the soft back sport seats where replaced by the hard back sport seats in 1995? (Like February 1995??).

Try a google picture search for 1994 Porsche 993 and look at the contemporary pictures and you will see that you don't see any third brake lights!
Old 06-11-2019, 07:17 PM
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It's only because of this thread that I looked at center stop light regulations. They weren't required at all in the EU until 1998, but were required in the US, CA, AU and NZ long before the launch of the 993. US didn't get 1994s, but Australia did. 1994 Oz 993 coupes had the "later" rear-window lamp, with basket handles for cab and targa. So, the so-called later rear-window assembly existed before US launch, but for some reason all US cars got the basket handle for a while after launch, then coupes got the rear-window unit.

If I had to place a bet it'd be that the supplier couldn't deliver federalized assemblies (ie plastic lens with the right markings) just at launch.
Old 06-11-2019, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ed devinney
It's only because of this thread that I looked at center stop light regulations. They weren't required at all in the EU until 1998, but were required in the US, CA, AU and NZ long before the launch of the 993. US didn't get 1994s, but Australia did. 1994 Oz 993 coupes had the "later" rear-window lamp, with basket handles for cab and targa. So, the so-called later rear-window assembly existed before US launch, but for some reason all US cars got the basket handle for a while after launch, then coupes got the rear-window unit.

If I had to place a bet it'd be that the supplier couldn't deliver federalized assemblies (ie plastic lens with the right markings) just at launch.
Thanks for the investigations!
Old 06-12-2019, 07:42 AM
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My London delivered '94 has neither.


Old 06-12-2019, 09:56 AM
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In my younger days I could recite all of the DOT requirements by year for the US. Like padded dash required on all 1968 and on cars, side belts required on 1967 and on cars and rear brake lights required on 1986 (I believe!).
Old 06-12-2019, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Railmaster.
The $10.000 question!: Did the "basket handle" disappear at the same date as the soft back sport seats where replaced by the hard back sport seats in 1995? (Like February 1995??).

Try a google picture search for 1994 Porsche 993 and look at the contemporary pictures and you will see that you don't see any third brake lights!
My car is a January 1995 build and has the basket handle (and OBD I and Drive Block), so February could have been when the change occurred.
Old 06-13-2019, 11:45 AM
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Chuck W, you are correct on the '86 requirement in the US for a CHMSL (center high mounted stop light).

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Old 06-13-2019, 12:15 PM
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run your option codes....M599 roof cover molding for the additional brake light....M602...additional brake light for coupe/cabrio
Old 07-02-2019, 04:41 AM
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Thanks for all the help and investigations everyone. I didn't end up buying the 1994 after all. I am now the proud owner of a MY1996 and it has the rear brake light up top.
Old 07-02-2019, 11:14 PM
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Sounds like a real RS would not have a 3rd brake light at all. At least a 1995?



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