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11-30-2021, 10:20 PM
Three Wheelin'
Could you speak to why the "95 over later years, and why the NB or the WB, is your choice", after owning all of them. Also touch on the "not if but when" valve guide issue. And why so many owners op for the plug and play swap to the 993 3-spoke steering wheel over the 4 spoker. Thanks
For me I prize:
- 1995 because I like the sound and feel of the non-varioram car in the last 1,000 rpm sprint to redline, it feels more akin to my favorite 911's which are the 2.2 liter 911E/911S from 1970-1971. The Varioram cars have a fatter torque curve down low, so for most drivers they feel stronger, but to me seem to fall off the power in the final 1,000 rpm (which makes sense as torque peak happens 1k rpm lower on them). Again, depends on what feel you want, either is fine!
- 1995 because I like the simplicity of OBD1.
- Now for the NB vs WB debate- again 100% preference. I prefer the more lithe look (hence why I REALLY like early 911's without flares) and in particular I don't like how the 993 Porsche did not flare the front fenders in addition to the rear. For example on a M491/930/964WB/964 Turbo Porsche used wide front AND rear fenders, whereas on the 993 as a cost saving measure they only flared the rear fenders. So to my eye the balance is slightly off.
- C2 vs C4- I prefer the C2 however I would have been open to a NB C4 as I do like the fact they get 4-channel ABS/LSD/ABD as standard and like the silver brake calipers. The 993 AWD system is very simple and generally unobtrusive in use. On the Turbo and Carrera 4S I personally do not care for the clutch feel as the hydraulic assist feels overboosted and lacks feel.
- Valve Guides- Engines wear, simple concept... On the 993 usually (but not always) valve guides are one of the 1st places that show evidence of wear. With that said there is huge variability on this. I have seen many cars that have had guides done early in their life (sub 40k miles) and plenty of high mileage cars still with original guides. For example I drove one of my 1995 to 170k miles and it was consuming no more than a quart/1500, was quiet, made great power, etc. Now I am sure if we pulled the motor apart the guides would be extensively worn, but I would expect that given the miles. The problem is knowing about guide health when buying a car as the real litmus test is oil consumption. Most people are no longer driving these cars enough to really have a good gauge and sadly most owners I meet don't actually know how to check the oil accurately (that is another topic...). So even well meaning people say their car isn't using oil, but they are driving it 1,000 miles/year and changing the oil every couple of years and maybe its 2 quarts low but they don't notice....
- Basket Handle- Again, entirely a preference! As a taller driver I actually prefer not having the top 2" of the rear glass obstructed with the later style 3rd Brake light, but prefer the aesthetics, toss up there!
- 3 spoke vs 4 spoke wheel- Airbag technology was in its infancy in the 993 era, so the original 4 spoke airbag wheel is somewhat visually cumbersome, so many people prefer the less bulky center of the 3 spoke. I have gone both ways. Take you pick.
- Late Build 1995 Carrera 6-speed Coupe (late so it doesn't have the basket handle)
- Speed Yellow
- Black Full Leather- Full leather is really hard to find on NB cars, feels so much richer than the standard leather
- Heated Hard back sport seats
- M030 Sport Suspension
- Limited Slip Differential
- Rear Badge Delete
- SUNROOF DELETE (this IS my favorite feature!)
- 10k original miles
- 1 owner, 100% original
11-27-2021, 09:52 PM
#2
A 'tech' video about values...?
11-28-2021, 12:08 AM
#4
Sure, will do. Thanks for the lead.
11-28-2021, 12:34 AM
#5
Racer
Time to pump the market again lol
11-28-2021, 12:52 AM
#6
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I hate to say it, but I find those PCA tech videos torture. They talk around the subject more than about it & most times, it's old news.
11-28-2021, 11:08 AM
#7
Burning Brakes
There's nothing boring to me about Nathan's presentations. Perhaps some of the others
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11-28-2021, 09:13 PM
#10
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Nathan is a maestro, now getting earned national exposure. He's knowledgeable and articulate. A few years back he organized long overnight '993-Drives' in the Pacific Northwest. On one occasion 25-participants, some from Vancouver BC, various routes in WA and OR.
11-29-2021, 01:01 PM
#12
Three Wheelin'
Would love to see any 993 Rennlister on the live Tech Tactics on Wednesday. The topic will not be about values but a "What to Look for" when inspecting a 993. This won't be a deep dive PPI video as our core audience is enthusiasts/PCA members, not shops/technicians, so the basic aim is what should an enthusiast be looking at to decide whether a particular 993 is worthy of further considerations/inspection. I am sure values will come up to some degree, but even though I speak about values often as people are interested, I MUCH prefer to talk about the history, passion and technical aspects of the cars! More importantly, driving the cars is what really does it for me!
As a teaser as long as I can get my bandwidth to hold up in the shop, we will be featuring 3 AMAZING 993's in the video:
As a teaser as long as I can get my bandwidth to hold up in the shop, we will be featuring 3 AMAZING 993's in the video:
- 993 Turbo "S"
- 993 C2S Speed Yellow
- 993 C2S Vesivio
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11-30-2021, 02:11 AM
#15
Three Wheelin'
There are always the debates over the “best” 993, which is just silly. Buy the one that speaks to YOU and let others buy what speaks to them. I have owned them all and for me NB 1995 Carrera Coupe is my choice, but I love whatever choice anyone else makes.
Now if we talk market values, then the market values each configuration differently. I buy what I like first and market value second.