The mystery around my 993 Turbo.
#1
The mystery around my 993 Turbo.
Hello everyone! I need your help with my car. I've owned this car for the past 20 years and a few friends told me that this car was part of small run of regular Turbos that went through the Exclusiv program in early 1996. Basically, the car is spec'd as a Turbo S, before it was offered to the public. Another friend confirmed that, but told me the only way to identify these cars is with the code stamped in the engine, that should be an M64/60R, which it has. Regular Turbo's did not have the ''R'' suffix, while the Turbo S had an ''S'' suffix.
I have a 993 GT2, and it also has the ''R'' suffix in the engine stamp.
Thanks!
I have a 993 GT2, and it also has the ''R'' suffix in the engine stamp.
Thanks!
Last edited by Colaiuta; 01-06-2024 at 11:19 AM.
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This sounds like a future "sleuthing" article for 000 Magazine!
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I also owned a 96 turbo with the R stamped on the engine, I think the 1996 X50 is the power option that was on 97/98 turbo S. If the ECU part number ends with 83 means the 430hp power package or ending with 85 for 97/98 turbo S/GT2 450hp, also the secondary small oil cooler below the front bumpers is a give away on 96 turbo with the power package.
Also check the doors and hood with a magnet to see if they are aluminum, mine was but unfortunately I total the car but managed to salvaged the engine/tranny/doors and build myself a GT2 tribute out of a C4S chassis.
Also check the doors and hood with a magnet to see if they are aluminum, mine was but unfortunately I total the car but managed to salvaged the engine/tranny/doors and build myself a GT2 tribute out of a C4S chassis.
Last edited by C4Spolar; 01-05-2024 at 12:50 PM.
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Hi Colaiuta,
My background includes being with a tier-1 automotive supplier.
It does not surprise me that you received a stealth engine upgrade. In an automotive assembly production environment, any hiccups in the supply chain have to be addressed or there are large costs of holding up the line. If there is an engine shortage and there are a few extra "R" spec. engines available in-house, they will go into production to fill the void. The rationale is that it meets the need to keep the line productive and the customers certainly are not going to complain.
Andy
My background includes being with a tier-1 automotive supplier.
It does not surprise me that you received a stealth engine upgrade. In an automotive assembly production environment, any hiccups in the supply chain have to be addressed or there are large costs of holding up the line. If there is an engine shortage and there are a few extra "R" spec. engines available in-house, they will go into production to fill the void. The rationale is that it meets the need to keep the line productive and the customers certainly are not going to complain.
Andy
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Hi Colaiuta,
My background includes being with a tier-1 automotive supplier.
It does not surprise me that you received a stealth engine upgrade. In an automotive assembly production environment, any hiccups in the supply chain have to be addressed or there are large costs of holding up the line. If there is an engine shortage and there are a few extra "R" spec. engines available in-house, they will go into production to fill the void. The rationale is that it meets the need to keep the line productive and the customers certainly are not going to complain.
Andy
My background includes being with a tier-1 automotive supplier.
It does not surprise me that you received a stealth engine upgrade. In an automotive assembly production environment, any hiccups in the supply chain have to be addressed or there are large costs of holding up the line. If there is an engine shortage and there are a few extra "R" spec. engines available in-house, they will go into production to fill the void. The rationale is that it meets the need to keep the line productive and the customers certainly are not going to complain.
Andy
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M64/60R = GT2 version. So it is likely that as part of this Exclusiv programme, your car received this motor instead of the normal M64/60 and before the M64/60S was yet a thing.
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-turb...rs-engine.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-turb...rs-engine.html
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I agree with BoomBoom...having managed auto plants in the past, there is no way a performance engine is being subbed when there is a parts shortage. The car wouldn't have been scheduled in the first place and if there was some sort of mishap, it would be taken from the line.
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M64/60R = GT2 version. So it is likely that as part of this Exclusiv programme, your car received this motor instead of the normal M64/60 and before the M64/60S was yet a thing.
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-turb...rs-engine.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-turb...rs-engine.html
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Here is the spec on your car from factory
Vehicle Identification No.
WP0ZZZ99ZTS371869
Model
Turbo Coupe 993
Date of production
04.03.1996
Year
1996
Sales type
993770
Engine Code
6460
Transmission Code
G6451
Axle drive
6S
Equipment
QQ
Roof color
A8
Carpet color code
3TE
Exterior color / Paint Code
A8 /
Seat combination no.
DEF
Number of Z-Orders
3
PR Number
Attribute
Description
130
Control and indications in English lettering
139
Seat heating system, left seat
197
Stronger battery
210
220
Locking differential 40 %
224
Automatic limited slip differential
235
288
Headlamp washer
329
Radio Blaupunkt Toronto SQR 48 Radio "Porsche CR-210" USA
335
Automatic seat belt, 3-point, rear
339
All-wheel drive
340
Seat heating system, right seat
408
18-inch Techno wheel
423
Holder for cassettes and coins
425
Rear window wiper
434
437
Comfort seat, left, electrically adjustable
438
Comfort seat, right, electrically adjustable
441
prepared for radio
445
Silver wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454
Automatic speed control
455
Anti-theft device for wheels
480
6-speed manual transmission
490
Sound package
534
Theft security system
545
Tank of 92 litres
562
Airbag, driver's side and front passenger's side
566
Front fog lights, white
567
Windscreen tinted, upper part darker coloured
573
Air conditioner
586
Lumbar support, left seat
599
Roof cover molding
602
Center high-mounted stop lamp
605
Headlight range control
650
Electrical sliding roof
651
Electric window opener
657
Power steering
659
on-board computer
660
Obd 2
685
Rear seats, split
692
CD autochanger "Porsche "
706
975
Luggage compartment lining with velour carpet
981
Leather equipment without seat covers
X50
X52
X56
X57
X63
X64
X77
X78
X79
XD1
XD2
XX1
Y25
Y75
As you can see, many exclusive options! X50 is the engine pack @ 430bhp all other options bring it to Turbo S spec, as you say, a turbo S before they came out!
Vehicle Identification No.
WP0ZZZ99ZTS371869
Model
Turbo Coupe 993
Date of production
04.03.1996
Year
1996
Sales type
993770
Engine Code
6460
Transmission Code
G6451
Axle drive
6S
Equipment
Roof color
A8
Carpet color code
3TE
Exterior color / Paint Code
A8 /
Seat combination no.
DEF
Number of Z-Orders
3
PR Number
Attribute
Description
130
Control and indications in English lettering
139
Seat heating system, left seat
197
Stronger battery
210
220
Locking differential 40 %
224
Automatic limited slip differential
235
288
Headlamp washer
329
Radio Blaupunkt Toronto SQR 48 Radio "Porsche CR-210" USA
335
Automatic seat belt, 3-point, rear
339
All-wheel drive
340
Seat heating system, right seat
408
18-inch Techno wheel
423
Holder for cassettes and coins
425
Rear window wiper
434
437
Comfort seat, left, electrically adjustable
438
Comfort seat, right, electrically adjustable
441
prepared for radio
445
Silver wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454
Automatic speed control
455
Anti-theft device for wheels
480
6-speed manual transmission
490
Sound package
534
Theft security system
545
Tank of 92 litres
562
Airbag, driver's side and front passenger's side
566
Front fog lights, white
567
Windscreen tinted, upper part darker coloured
573
Air conditioner
586
Lumbar support, left seat
599
Roof cover molding
602
Center high-mounted stop lamp
605
Headlight range control
650
Electrical sliding roof
651
Electric window opener
657
Power steering
659
on-board computer
660
Obd 2
685
Rear seats, split
692
CD autochanger "Porsche "
706
975
Luggage compartment lining with velour carpet
981
Leather equipment without seat covers
X50
X52
X56
X57
X63
X64
X77
X78
X79
XD1
XD2
XX1
Y25
Y75
As you can see, many exclusive options! X50 is the engine pack @ 430bhp all other options bring it to Turbo S spec, as you say, a turbo S before they came out!
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Here is the spec on your car from factory
Vehicle Identification No.
WP0ZZZ99ZTS371869
Model
Turbo Coupe 993
Date of production
04.03.1996
Year
1996
Sales type
993770
Engine Code
6460
Transmission Code
G6451
Axle drive
6S
Equipment
QQ
Roof color
A8
Carpet color code
3TE
Exterior color / Paint Code
A8 /
Seat combination no.
DEF
Number of Z-Orders
3
PR Number
Attribute
Description
130
Control and indications in English lettering
139
Seat heating system, left seat
197
Stronger battery
210
220
Locking differential 40 %
224
Automatic limited slip differential
235
288
Headlamp washer
329
Radio Blaupunkt Toronto SQR 48 Radio "Porsche CR-210" USA
335
Automatic seat belt, 3-point, rear
339
All-wheel drive
340
Seat heating system, right seat
408
18-inch Techno wheel
423
Holder for cassettes and coins
425
Rear window wiper
434
437
Comfort seat, left, electrically adjustable
438
Comfort seat, right, electrically adjustable
441
prepared for radio
445
Silver wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454
Automatic speed control
455
Anti-theft device for wheels
480
6-speed manual transmission
490
Sound package
534
Theft security system
545
Tank of 92 litres
562
Airbag, driver's side and front passenger's side
566
Front fog lights, white
567
Windscreen tinted, upper part darker coloured
573
Air conditioner
586
Lumbar support, left seat
599
Roof cover molding
602
Center high-mounted stop lamp
605
Headlight range control
650
Electrical sliding roof
651
Electric window opener
657
Power steering
659
on-board computer
660
Obd 2
685
Rear seats, split
692
CD autochanger "Porsche "
706
975
Luggage compartment lining with velour carpet
981
Leather equipment without seat covers
X50
X52
X56
X57
X63
X64
X77
X78
X79
XD1
XD2
XX1
Y25
Y75
As you can see, many exclusive options! X50 is the engine pack @ 430bhp all other options bring it to Turbo S spec, as you say, a turbo S before they came out!
Vehicle Identification No.
WP0ZZZ99ZTS371869
Model
Turbo Coupe 993
Date of production
04.03.1996
Year
1996
Sales type
993770
Engine Code
6460
Transmission Code
G6451
Axle drive
6S
Equipment
Roof color
A8
Carpet color code
3TE
Exterior color / Paint Code
A8 /
Seat combination no.
DEF
Number of Z-Orders
3
PR Number
Attribute
Description
130
Control and indications in English lettering
139
Seat heating system, left seat
197
Stronger battery
210
220
Locking differential 40 %
224
Automatic limited slip differential
235
288
Headlamp washer
329
Radio Blaupunkt Toronto SQR 48 Radio "Porsche CR-210" USA
335
Automatic seat belt, 3-point, rear
339
All-wheel drive
340
Seat heating system, right seat
408
18-inch Techno wheel
423
Holder for cassettes and coins
425
Rear window wiper
434
437
Comfort seat, left, electrically adjustable
438
Comfort seat, right, electrically adjustable
441
prepared for radio
445
Silver wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454
Automatic speed control
455
Anti-theft device for wheels
480
6-speed manual transmission
490
Sound package
534
Theft security system
545
Tank of 92 litres
562
Airbag, driver's side and front passenger's side
566
Front fog lights, white
567
Windscreen tinted, upper part darker coloured
573
Air conditioner
586
Lumbar support, left seat
599
Roof cover molding
602
Center high-mounted stop lamp
605
Headlight range control
650
Electrical sliding roof
651
Electric window opener
657
Power steering
659
on-board computer
660
Obd 2
685
Rear seats, split
692
CD autochanger "Porsche "
706
975
Luggage compartment lining with velour carpet
981
Leather equipment without seat covers
X50
X52
X56
X57
X63
X64
X77
X78
X79
XD1
XD2
XX1
Y25
Y75
As you can see, many exclusive options! X50 is the engine pack @ 430bhp all other options bring it to Turbo S spec, as you say, a turbo S before they came out!
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Hello everyone! I need your help with my car. I've owned this car for the past 20 years and a few friends told me that this car was part of small run of regular Turbos that went through the Exclusiv program in early 1996. Basically, the car is spec'd as a Turbo S, before it was offered to the public. Another friend confirmed that, but told me the only way to identify these cars is with the code stamped in the engine, that should be an M64/60R, which it has. Regular Turbo's did not have the ''R'' suffix, while the Turbo S had an ''S'' suffix.