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|05-07-2007, 05:43 PM||#1|
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Bay, Los Angeles
Night Blue vs. water-based vs. Midnight Blue Pearl?
Has anyboby been through this? My paint code is L39C, which is Night Blue or Midnight Blue. In Adrian's "Companion," it's also said to be water-based pearl. I would say that the car has a pearl effect.
For touchup, the PO has included the official Porsche kit, including the separate clearcoat. That has paintcode 37W and "nacht blue" on it. Just checked paintscratch.com, and the only relevant color they list for '96 is also the 37W Midnight Blue. The color seems to match "OK" in the areas I've found, but the application has room for improvement, so who knows if it's right?
So there are conflicts all over the place. I wonder if:
1) L39C paint is no longer offered by anyone, and I have to live without it and maybe even the "pearl" effect or
2) It's the same as the 37W, but I doubt it, why would it have its own code?
|05-07-2007, 09:06 PM||#2|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
FWIW..... Nacht means night in German.
'96 993 C4S PolarSilver/Black 111kmi --- PSS-9, 2wd pseudo-conversion, HIDs, DAS bar, turbo hollow-spokes, Euro GT3 seats, GarthS's tierod pinning
'09 Audi A4 Avant Midnight Blue/Grey Yes, you can 4 wheel drift an AWD car...
'86 911 Targa Factory Turbo Look White/Black
'76 914 2.0 Green/Black --- My first car, the start of the obsession!
|05-07-2007, 09:47 PM||#3|
Licensed to Keel
Join Date: Oct 2005
IIRC, there were water-based and solvent based paint formulas for several of the colors and they are slightly different in appearance. The name and the numeric portion of the code remained the same, but the two versions were distinguished by the alpha suffix. Maybe P-Car has moe details??
1996 C2, Aventurine Green/Cashmere. Mods include Bilstein/H&R's (lowered to top of RS range), FPB, 20mm F&R bars, 18" Carrera III's, Euro Turbo front bumper, Clear corners, Motorsound intake, LPMM, Bird Armrest, Rennline dead pedal.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"- Hunter S. Thompson
|05-08-2007, 03:15 AM||#4|
Join Date: Jul 2006
My 993 also has the paint code L39C, which my dealer said is Midnight Blue Metallic.
It's all very confusing because most folks, including Porsche dealers, seem to use the following interchangeably:
- the names Midnight Blue and Night Blue
- the paint effects Metallic and Pearl
- the paint codes 39C, 37W and sometimes F8!
In any case, I would suggest that you go to a reputable paint shop to get the paint matched by sight. After ten years on the road and exposure to sun and UV rays, the paint probably won't match the factory paint codes anyway.
For the record, my paintwork looks metallic but does not seem to have a pearl effect....
|05-09-2007, 03:37 PM||#5|
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Tucson AZ
Try searching earlier years at Paintscratch... my '96 Polar Silver car has paint code 92M, which only shows up for '95 and earlier. The 92E touch-up paint from the dealership was waaay off. Foxfrc5 is correct about matching to sample though... I just used the painscratch spray cans to paint a few small parts, and it matches my sun faded paint OK but not dead nutz.
|06-12-2007, 02:52 AM||#6|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Just found this link from another thread: http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorli...rsche-pg01.jpg
Night Blue is 39C. Midnight Blue is 37W/F8.
Hope this helps!
|06-14-2007, 10:03 PM||#7|
Join Date: May 2007
So the question is: how rare is night blue? I've never really seen 39c before... and I just found a car that has it. Is it rare and/or adding to the value of the car?
|10-10-2007, 12:13 AM||#8|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Singapore is a tiny market for Porkers as compared to the States and Night Blue isn't common here but it isn't rare either. I have the only factory Night Blue 993 C4S -- the other 993 C4S cars here came in Arena Red as part of a local limited edition package -- but have seen other 993 models here in Night Blue (some factory original, some repainted).
|11-28-2007, 09:01 AM||#9|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Found a list of factory paint codes, if anyone is interested (not specific to 993):
L12G Speed Yellow
L12L Pastel Yellow
L12M Pastel Yellow
L22D Slate Gray Metallic
L22E Forest Green Metallic
L23F Slate Metallic
L25C Turquoise Green Metallic
L25D Blue Turquoise Metallic
L37W Midnight Blue Pearl
L38W Lavender Blue
L39C Night Blue Metallic
L39D Amaranth Violet
L39E Riviera Blue
L39N Iris Blue Pearl
L39R Aventurine Green Pearl
L39V Iris Blue Pearl
L3AR Blue Turquoise
L3AR Blue Turquoise
L3AS Blue Turquoise
L3AT Glacier White
L3AU Glacier White
L3AW Zenith Blue Metallic
L3AX Zenith Blue Metallic
L3AY Ocean Blue Metallic
L3AZ Ocean Blue Metallic
L738 Black Metallic
L80K Guards Red
L80K Guards Red
L84R Arena Red Metallic
L84S Arena Red Metallic
L908 Grand Prix White
L92M Polar Silver Metallic
L92T Arctic Silver Metallic
L92U Arctic Silver Metallic
LM3A Guards Red
|11-28-2007, 10:18 AM||#10|
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Join Date: Mar 2002
FWIW, I usually refer Porsche paint questions to Eric at Bumperplugs.
|11-28-2007, 11:12 AM||#11|
Join Date: May 2007
If you search, you will find tons of info on this.
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1995 C4 Midnight / Blue & Marble
|11-28-2007, 12:46 PM||#12|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Talking about touch-up paint, is it just me or does the color in the little bottles never quite match ?
I try to fill the stone chip wounds in layers until it is a little "higher" than the surrounding paint and than sand it down, but it always seems do be difference in color.
Never had good luck with the clear coat either.
Anyone got a good description of the "right" method to do this ?
|11-28-2007, 12:56 PM||#13|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
I found this a while ago:
PAINT CHIP REPAIR
Items you need:
1. Touchup or color matched paint
2. Compatable primer - I like Wurth Rustop Primer
3. Oganic cleaner -Wurth Citrus Degreaser or P21S Total Auto Wash
4. Solvent - Rubbing Alcohol or Prepsol or Enamel Reducer
5. 3M Imperial Hand Glaze
5. Meguiar Finesse Sanding Block 2000 grit
6. 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper
7. Round undyed wooden toothpicks
8. Large lightweight cardboard boxes (large shoe box or bigger)
9. Several 100% cotton towels
10. Magnifying glass - this helps we with older eyes
11. New Pencils with unused erasers
12. Rubber glue
13. Several heavy clean plastic cups
14. Roll of quality paint masking tape
Realize that paint chip repair is a learned skill and should be practiced on
an area of the car that is not that visible. The hood and nose are two areas
that should be tackled last. Test all cleaners or solvents on the paint
prior to usage. I like to use the seam underneath the rocker panels. Apply
a little cleaner or solvent to a cloth and rub the seam. If you do not get
any color on the rag, then the cleaner/solvent should be safe for the paint.
If you do get color on the rag, then you may wish to consider another
| CHIP REPAIR STEPS:
1. Twentyfour hours before you want to start, use the rubber glue to attach
small 600 grit sandpaper circles (the diameter of the eraser) onto several
new pencils. The eraser must be unused and flat on top.
2. Step #1:Wash the car with a quality car wash and dry thoroughly.
3. Paint chips come in two flavors. The worst case has exposed the bare
metal, while the less severe has left the original primer intact. Clean the
area throughly with the Wurth or P21S citrus cleaner. If there is rust on
the exposed metal, clean off with the pencil eraser. Use a toothpick to
gently probe the area and make sure that the edges of the chip are secure and
not waiting to fall off and destroy your work. Take a new pencil/sandpaper
tool, dip into clean water and put a few drops of water on the chip area.
*SLIGHTLY* rough up the chip and a small portion of the surounding paint.
Lightly turning the pencil will rough up an area the diameter of the eraser
and this should be more than enough. Keep the roughed up area as small as
possible, the object is to give the new paint approximately 1 mm of old paint
to "grab" around the perimeter of the chip and not dig scratches.
4. Move onto the next chip and repeat the above. Depending upon the amount
of time available, you may wish to tackle 10-20 chips at one time. Try to
stay within the area that may be covered by your box(es).
5. When finished sanding all your chips you are tackling at this time apply
a small amount of Alcohol or Prepsol or Enamel Reducer to a rag and wipe each
chip and surrounding area to remove any sanding dust and grease/oils. Use
additional solvent and new area of the rag for each chip. Allow to dry
(these are highly volatile and will evaporate quickly with no residue).
6. If the original primer is intact, and "pencil sanding" does not disturb
the primer, then skip the next step and go directly to painting (# 9)
7. Make sure that the chip and surrounding area is clean. If not, reclean
with the Prepsol, Alcohol or Enamel Reducer. Pour or spray a small amount of
primer into a clean plastic cup. Dip the point of a wooden toothpick into
the primer to get a thin coating on the first 1-2 mm of the toothpick. If
there is a blob on the end, gently scrape it back into the bottle. Place the
tip of the toothpick against the center of the chip and allow capillary
action to literally flow a *THIN* coat of the primer into the depression of
the chip. Move onto the next prepared chip. If you have finished priming all
your prepared chips before two hours are up, cover with a box, taped down
with masking tape and go have a beer. The key is to allow the first coat of
primer to dry at least two hours. Dispose of your cup and start with a fresh
cup and toothpick. Apply another thin coat of primer to each repair that
needs primer. Priming is completed when no metal is visible and the level of
the primer is *BELOW* the level of the surrounding paint. This is
important! Cover and allow to dry for two hours or until dry.
8. Take a new pencil sander and dip into water and add a few drops of water
to the repair area and gently sand the area to rough up the chip and a small
portion of the surounding paint. Lightly turning the pencil will rough up an
area the diameter of the eraser and this should be more than enough. Apply
a small amount of Alcohol or Prepsol or Enamel Reducer to a rag and wipe the
chip and surrounding area to remove any sanding dust and grease/oils. Allow
to dry. Repeat for all the chips that are on today's list of victims.
9. If you are using a touchup, shake the bottle thoroughly. If you are
using color matched paint, mix thoroughly and pour a small amount into a
clean plastic cup.
10. Dip the point of a new toothpick into the paint to get a thin coating on
the first 1-2 mm of the toothpick. If there is a blob on the end, gently
scrape it back into the bottle. Place the tip of the toothpick against the
center of the chip and allow capillary action to literally flow the paint
into the depression of the chip. Repeat for each chip. The key is not to
use too much paint. Do not redip the toothpick. Use only the amount that
will flow from one dip. Temptation to add more paint with each application
will be almost overwhelming. Fight it!
11. Cover with your paint box and allow to dry 2 hours and repeat 8-12
times till the depression is filled with paint and bulges slightly upward and
covers the roughed up area with a thin coating of paint. The first 2-3
coats may not completely hide the primer. This is fine because you have many
more coats to go. Fight that urge!
13. The paint application is completed when the new paint bulges slightly
upward (a fraction of a millimeter) and had covered the roughed up area with
a thin coat of new paint. Allow the paint to dry for at least a week.
14. The touchup paint has been applied to the surface and allowed to dry for
at least 1 week, and resembles a minute mound ( __o__ ) (this is exaggerated)
on the flat plane of the existing paint. The object is to remove the mound
and make the surface of the paint one continuous flat plane. The Finesse
Block offers the ability to gently remove only the high spot of the repair.
Unlike sandpaper or polish on a rag, the five usable sides of the block are
flat and act like a "wood plane" to remove only the elevated areas of the
repair. The 2000 grit will not leave scratches.
2. Soak the Finesse Block in clean water for 24 hours prior to use. Then
gently "plane" the high spot on the paint. I prefer to "plane" in one
direction (usually back to front - drawing the block towards me). If the
block dries out, re-wet and continue use. When the new and existing paints
are blended (smoothed to the flat plane) to your satisfaction, clean the area
with a quality car wash and then use a quality glaze to restore the high
gloss finish. I prefer 3M Imperial Hand Glaze. Don't use a machine on your
car, as it deserves to be caressed by hand. Use the machine on your SO.
3. When applying either a glaze or a wax, apply to your soft cotton cloth or
applicator pad (don't squirt the stuff on the car) and work in one direction
only. Don't go around in circles like dear of dad . Circles are many times
the cause of "swirl marks." A front-to-back, back-to-front motion (the way
the air flows over the car) will help minimize swirl marks or at least make
them less visible. Buff out with a soft cotton cloth. If it looks good, wax
with a quality hard wax and you are done.
4. Tip for applying wax. If you are using a quality carnuba based wax, try
applying it with your fingers instead of a pad or cloth. Hold your fingers
together and use your finger tips as an applicator pad. The tactile feedback
from your fingers will tell you when the wax has been worked into the paint.
If grit should lodge under your fingers, you will know immediately and not
grind it into the paint. A pad will not allow this tactile feedback and these
devil grits become sandpaper. A circular motion of the pad will make a 360
degree swirl mark. All marks on paint are most visible at a 90 degree viewing
angle. Thus the front to back marks are most visible from the sides, whereas
a circle stands out from any viewing angle.
The question was also asked if clear touchup should be used as a final coat
to repair chips on a clear coat paint. There are two view points to this
1. The purist will say yes, the paint has a clear coat and thus, the repair
should also. The process is the same as previously described, except the
clear coat is substituted for the last 2-3 coats or paint.
2. The practical world says no. The touchup paint is different from the
original paint and is formulated only as a touchup paint. Once it is applied
it should, according to the manufacturer, match well enough to be all but
invisible. I have found this to be the case with the numerous repairs on the
many cars/colors, I have completed. If you are using the original paint as a
touchup (I have not done this with a clear coated car), then my understanding
is that you should use the clear as a topcoat. The color coat of some paints
will many times be relatively dull in appearance. These paints rely on the
clear coat to provide the "shine."
Try one chip in an area that is not that visible. If the process works, then
continue with the rest. If not try the clear coat top layer.
I hope that the above has added a little more food for thought on chips. (Or
chips as a thought of food.)
Car Care Specialties, Inc.
|11-28-2007, 01:26 PM||#14|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Pretty amazing writeup.
I would think that most people us less time touching up their car than to read through these instructions
Thank you Steve.
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