993 Prices (Formerly Proposal for 993 pricing thread like Jeremy Pinsly's...)

[993James993]

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993 Pricing Data

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Hi Everyone,

Check out Jeremy Pinsly's thread over on the 964 board:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=246996

Given all the pricing discussions I think our forum could use something like this. I messaged Jeremy and he graciously gave his blessing to use his format (Thanks Jeremy! ):

purchase price (in USD please)
purchase date
mileage
state or country where purchased
Model year
C2 or C4
Coupe, targa or cab
color
tip or manual
NA or turbo
aftermarket accessories that came with the car
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest)
Purchased from: Private Party or Dealer?
How many previous owners?
Accident history: yes/no??
Please list any factory installed options
Please list any modifications

Before starting a similar post here I wanted to run this idea by the 993 members.

What other information if anywould you like to include?

Also, Jeremy maintains an online excel compilation of the data. That's something that I cannot do. Would anyone here want to do that?

Any thoughts?

Jim

EDIT: Changed title from " Proposal for 993 pricing thread like Jeremy Pinsly's 964 prices thread...."

Added

Purchased from: Private Party or Dealer?
How many previous owners?
Accident history: yes/no??
Please list any factory installed options
Please list any modifications

[jimhsu]

great idea. would be more realistic compared to Bruce Anderson's Excellence price reports.

I would also include:

Purchased from: Private Party or Dealer?
How many previous owners?
Accident history: yes/no??

[Marlon]

...excellente!

[MarkD]

Originally Posted by jimhsu

great idea. would be more realistic compared to Bruce Anderson's Excellence price reports.

lol, ANYTHING will be more real-life than Excellence. Last one I saw in the "Reader Reports" section (or whatever it is called) he actually sounded like he was thinking "hmm... maybe I am a little off".
My prediction: When he finally gets on track with the market the prices will have dropped

So, anyhow, good idea!

[goofballdeluxe]

OK since I've had so many nice folks answerr my questions, I'll be the first 993 guinea pig. Maybe you can even tell me if I got screwed LOL:

purchase price (in USD please): $40,000
purchase date: Feb 2005
mileage: 35,000
state or country where purchased: USA
Model year: 1996
C2 or C4: C4S
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
color: Polar Silver
tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car: Stereo, Amp.
did the vehicle come with tool kit: yes
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: yes
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 3 (my ex-girlfriend, the previous owner, was not aware she should keep these records)
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 9 (PPI was great, no previous accidents or mechanical issues when purchased.)

I am the 3rd owner, but my girlfriend was the previous owner so I feel like I'm kinda like the 2.5 owner since she owned it since almost new and I know it's history. The car now has 55,000 miles and has had a complete respray since I owned it. Currently I am debating the ROW M030/Bilstien HD conversion. So far, this C4S is the best $40K I've ever spent, and I'm pretty sure after 2.5 years of ownership, I could still get my $40K out of it too. Not that I'm ever selling....

[Falcondrivr]

purchase price (in USD please): $25,000
purchase date: March 2007
mileage: 118,000
state or country where purchased: SFO, USA
Model year: 1995-late build, (96 specs except for varioram)
C2 or C4: C2
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
color: Grand Prix White
tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car: Stereo, Amp.
did the vehicle come with tool kit: no
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: yes
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8.5
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 9
Purchased from Dealer. No accident history. I'm the 3rd owner. Daily driver.

[uncle buck]

Next - Thanks for the template Falcondrivr - My car is a close spec to yours...

purchase price (in USD please): $35,000
purchase date: Feb 2007
mileage: 43,400
state or country where purchased: PA, USA
Model year: 1995-late build, (96 specs except for varioram)
C2 or C4: C2
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
color: Adventurine over Classic Gray
tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car: Stereo, Ipod interface, Car cover.
did the vehicle come with tool kit: yes
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: yes
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8.5
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9.5
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9.0
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 9.5
Purchased from PCA member (4th owner). No accident history. Superb PPI by Possum Hollow Motorsport.

[AShearer]

Note: DON'T COUNT THIS TWICE. I REVISED IT.

Okay: I will Update my post to account for the new questions

purchase price (in USD please) $56,000
purchase date June 2007
mileage 17,000
state or country where purchased TX, USA
Model year 1997
C2 or C4: C4 S
Coupe, targa or cab Coupe
color Artic Silver
tip or manual manual
NA or turbo n/a
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.) ROW M030, Gert's bar,
did the vehicle come with tool kit Yes
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit Yes
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest) 5, 1st owner no records
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 10
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 10
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest)[/i] 9
Purchased from: Private Party or Dealer? Private Party
How many previous owners? (2)
Accident history: yes/no?? (no)
Please list any factory installed options (stainless sills, motorsound, hi-fi sound, CF shifter/brake, 8 way pwer seats, six CD changer,
Please list any modifications: See above ROW M030 suspension, Gert's Bar

[Van1]

I would include a line to list factory installed options to account for things like M030, sport seats, motor sound, limited slip differential, litronics, aerokit, etc. For instance, my car came with all of that and more adding over $22k in options to the sticker price, making it's sticker price more than most C2Ss out there. That should count for something, no? This format has you list out aftermarket accessories, so why not the factory goodies?

[Avid Fan]

Jim: great idea. Here's my .02: Firstly, Van1s suggestion is a good one. Maybe a line for mods as well. One of my cars has about $15k worth of mods and that should add some value.

Most importantly though, for me to play, I'd like to keep pricing info confidential. What about doing this on an excel sheet that everyone can add to? Info would be easier to poll and manipulate and members can enter their stats in privacy.

[993c2cab]

here ya go

pp-- 30,500
pd-- may of 05
m-- 72xxx
st of purchase -- AZ.
model yr-- 95 early odb1
c2 cab
grand prix white
stock other than oz wheels and lowered
tool kit-- yes
pump-- yes
paper work assm. 5
interior assm. 8.5
body 8.5
mech 8.5
lovin it!!

[Paulsha911]

purchase price (in USD please): $49.6K
purchase date: Feb, 2006
mileage: 50,000
state or country where purchased: Portland, OR
Model year: 1997
C2 or C4: C4S
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
color: Grand Prix White
tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: n/a

any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.):
- Lots! Setup at Jeff Rothman's shop 1000 miles before purchase
- Custom tranny, PSS9, Steve Weiner chip, RS clutch, LFW, RS Sways, filled-in lic plate holder holes and repaint front bumper (no more stone chips), 996 3 spoke steering, MB Quarts speakers, repainted 18" twists

did the vehicle come with tool kit: Yes
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: Yes
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 8.5
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) 9.5
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest) 9

Since then, I have added 5000 miles and the following mods:
- BBS RS GT + Tire Pressure Monitoring system + tires ($4.5K)
- TT spoiler & front air scoop ($2K)
- Top End Rebuild by Devek ($5K)
- DACH Sport Cats ($1.3K)
- RSR Muffs ($0.5K)

Total sunk cost: $62.3K! Drives like a dream though with the TE rebuild and all the Jeff Rothman / Steve Weiner mods.

Paul

[ddz]

purchase price (in USD please): $37,000
purchase date: September 2006
mileage: 23,400
state or country where purchased: MA, USA
Model year: 1995-late build, basket handle 3rd light replaced with one over rear window, wiring harness update
C2 or C4: C2
Coupe, targa or cab: Coupe
color: Guards red over black
tip or manual: Manual
NA or turbo: NA
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car: Stereo, 18" Cup wheels, genuine big red brakes
did the vehicle come with tool kit: yes
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit: yes
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest): 8.0
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9.9
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest): 9.9
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest): 9.9

Since then I've added Steve Weiner chip, RSR's, strut brace,motorsound intake, exhaust tips, rear tires

[Marlon]

Here's mine!

pp-- 23,500
pd-- June 07
m-- 105,500
st of purchase -- FL
model yr-- 95
c2 coupe
Water base black paint with Cashmere interior
6 Speed
Came with factory 18" twists & new Pzeros's + the original 16" rims & tires
tool kit-- yes
pump-- yes
paper work assm. 1 (no receipts) but has all manuals
interior assm. 8.5 (looks almost new for it's age except for seat bolster wear and shifter knob wear)
body 8.0 - needs wet sand & polish + bumper respray
mech 7.5 - needs plug wires, suspension components & minor six-it here and there
Note: 1. only has 3 options: roof, radio & cruise (cruise is inop); 2. All original NO MODS whatsoever, Virgin!
Love it - but needs lots of mechanical updating: plug wires, lower control arms, clutch slave, engine mounts, shocks, spoiler bearing fix, etc., etc....

[Guy]

purchase price (in USD please) $29000
purchase date 5/31/07
mileage 74400
state or country where purchased Pennsylvania
Model year 1998
C2 or C4 (C2)
Coupe, targa or cab (Targa)
color (midnight blue)
tip or manual (manual)
NA or turbo (NA)
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.) None
did the vehicle come with tool kit (yes)
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit (no)
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest) (8)
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) (6)
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest) (7)
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest) (8)
Purchased from: Private Party or Dealer? (Wholesale auction)
How many previous owners? (2)
Accident history: yes/no?? (no)
Please list any factory installed options (stainless sills, motorsound, hi-fi, wood shift, brake)
Please list any modifications (none)