Where are the Boxster Owners???
07-22-2011, 08:27 PM
#33
Now, your comment I quoted above is kinda correct, and kinda incorrect.
Actually, and I really mean no offense to anyone (seriously), but to me, the Boxster just looks very feminine to me, and that's one of the main reasons I don't like it. In fact, most small cars can appear to be somewhat feminine to my eye (Mercedes SLK series, etc.). One of the things I always loved about the 911 series, it was the only smaller car that didn't come across as girly/feminine to me.
Now, is it feminine? Nope. That's just what I see when I see it; what I consider to be girly. Someone else could see the same car totally differently.
I also see, (what I project on to) the Cayman/Boxster is the lesser priced, less capable car, compared to the Carrera line. It would be hard for me own a car built by the manufacturer that considers this their "lesser" also ran car. I don't wanna buy any manufacturer's second place car.
I know the Boxster S is probably more capable than my 993. But I much prefer the looks of the 993, and it doesn't appear feminine to me at all.
The Boxster S is a fine and capable sports car.
Last edited by goofballdeluxe; 07-22-2011 at 08:45 PM.
07-22-2011, 10:21 PM
#34
Race Director
keep laughing, because its true
Better platform, lighter weight (convertible to convertible, coupe to coupe), similar power in S version (987), etc etc.
The boxster handles better in stock form. Laugh, cry, or whatever, its true.
The 911 is a 100% flawed design that has been worked on for so long that it can perform well.
A caymen or boxster with a GT3 motor and GT3 style suspension would be the best road going sports car ever produced by porsche.
You can have your opinion about the looks, thats fine.
But dismissing the car because you think its girly is lame. You don't have to buy one, but at least acknowledge that its a great sports car. Guess what, a mazda miata is fantastic sports car, but there is always some tool who thinks its a homo car and would never drive one. pathetic.
If the box/cay had a bit more horsepower, I would absolutely buy one...but thats coming from a turbo
Better platform, lighter weight (convertible to convertible, coupe to coupe), similar power in S version (987), etc etc.
The boxster handles better in stock form. Laugh, cry, or whatever, its true.
The 911 is a 100% flawed design that has been worked on for so long that it can perform well.
A caymen or boxster with a GT3 motor and GT3 style suspension would be the best road going sports car ever produced by porsche.
Well, now I feel bad about my "limp wrist" comment earlier.
Now, your comment I quoted above is kinda correct, and kinda incorrect.
Actually, and I really mean no offense to anyone (seriously), but to me, the Boxster just looks very feminine to me, and that's one of the main reasons I don't like it. In fact, most small cars can appear to be somewhat feminine to my eye (Mercedes SLK series, etc.). One of the things I always loved about the 911 series, it was the only smaller car that didn't come across as girly/feminine to me.
Now, is it feminine? Nope. That's just what I see when I see it; what I consider to be girly. Someone else could see the same car totally differently.
I also see, (what I project on to) the Cayman/Boxster is the lesser priced, less capable car, compared to the Carrera line. It would be hard for me own a car built by the manufacturer that considers this their "lesser" also ran car. I don't wanna buy any manufacturer's second place car.
I know the Boxster S is probably more capable than my 993. But I much prefer the looks of the 993, and it doesn't appear feminine to me at all.
The Boxster S is a fine and capable sports car.
Now, your comment I quoted above is kinda correct, and kinda incorrect.
Actually, and I really mean no offense to anyone (seriously), but to me, the Boxster just looks very feminine to me, and that's one of the main reasons I don't like it. In fact, most small cars can appear to be somewhat feminine to my eye (Mercedes SLK series, etc.). One of the things I always loved about the 911 series, it was the only smaller car that didn't come across as girly/feminine to me.
Now, is it feminine? Nope. That's just what I see when I see it; what I consider to be girly. Someone else could see the same car totally differently.
I also see, (what I project on to) the Cayman/Boxster is the lesser priced, less capable car, compared to the Carrera line. It would be hard for me own a car built by the manufacturer that considers this their "lesser" also ran car. I don't wanna buy any manufacturer's second place car.
I know the Boxster S is probably more capable than my 993. But I much prefer the looks of the 993, and it doesn't appear feminine to me at all.
The Boxster S is a fine and capable sports car.
But dismissing the car because you think its girly is lame. You don't have to buy one, but at least acknowledge that its a great sports car. Guess what, a mazda miata is fantastic sports car, but there is always some tool who thinks its a homo car and would never drive one. pathetic.
If the box/cay had a bit more horsepower, I would absolutely buy one...but thats coming from a turbo
07-22-2011, 10:27 PM
#35
There's nothing foolish about dismissing a car because it's girlie. I can choose to think any car is whatever I think it is. Doesn't make it girlie for someone else and doesn't mean it's not a great performer. But I sure as hell can think it's girlie.
07-22-2011, 10:35 PM
#36
Race Director
True. And if you think Porsche would ever let their second best performing car (Cayman/Boxster) be better performing than their best performing car (Carrera), then you're as foolish as someone who thinks that only homos buy Miatas.
There's nothing foolish about dismissing a car because it's girlie. I can choose to think any car is whatever I think it is. Doesn't make it girlie for someone else and doesn't mean it's not a great performer. But I sure as hell can think it's girlie.
There's nothing foolish about dismissing a car because it's girlie. I can choose to think any car is whatever I think it is. Doesn't make it girlie for someone else and doesn't mean it's not a great performer. But I sure as hell can think it's girlie.
At the end of the day, you're free to do what you want. I'm not a communist. If you want to think every boxster should be painted hot pink and sold only to women, thats your business. I tend to think the 993 is a bit girly, but thats my opinion (and since i don't care, I bought one anyway). Had I dismissed it, I would have missed an enjoyable car.
07-22-2011, 11:06 PM
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Interesting
As a owner of both I have to weigh in. Have a 993 cause it to me is the last of the mohecians....It reminds me of my 1968 911 and all that is good in a 911. Nothing in the 911 lineup since 1998 does it for me (not speaking of GT3, track cars, etc). That is why I have a 95 993. Could have bought a 997 but wanted a 993.
Also have a boxster spyder currently on a boat somewhere in the atlantic. I bought the car because it too feels like a real sports car. I drove a 2012 911 at the dealer before I drove the spyder they also had in stock. No comparison for me. The spyder had so much more sports car feel, emotion, etc. The 997 was just too "soft", just too nice for my taste. I think the world is big enough of all of em, but to call a boxster demeaning names and such, well one should really try on a spyder, you might be suprised, I know I was and I never would have considerd a boxster prior to the spyder. I have a new respect for the platform. Enough respect I bought one and the choice between the 997 and spyder was not close for me.
As a owner of both I have to weigh in. Have a 993 cause it to me is the last of the mohecians....It reminds me of my 1968 911 and all that is good in a 911. Nothing in the 911 lineup since 1998 does it for me (not speaking of GT3, track cars, etc). That is why I have a 95 993. Could have bought a 997 but wanted a 993.
Also have a boxster spyder currently on a boat somewhere in the atlantic. I bought the car because it too feels like a real sports car. I drove a 2012 911 at the dealer before I drove the spyder they also had in stock. No comparison for me. The spyder had so much more sports car feel, emotion, etc. The 997 was just too "soft", just too nice for my taste. I think the world is big enough of all of em, but to call a boxster demeaning names and such, well one should really try on a spyder, you might be suprised, I know I was and I never would have considerd a boxster prior to the spyder. I have a new respect for the platform. Enough respect I bought one and the choice between the 997 and spyder was not close for me.
07-22-2011, 11:16 PM
#39
Drifting
I agree with Quadcammer that the Boxster is the superior platform. For those that remember, it was the topic of some contentious threads on Rennlist back in 2005/2006 when everyone wondered if Porsche would eventually put the "new" 996 GT3's engine in the soon-to-be-released Cayman - essentially destroying the 911's heritage. I had a dot-com friend who actually PUT a GT3 engine (Fahrnbaker-Loles) in his new Cayman S (occasionally Rennlister back in the day) and proceeded to use it to compete in "One Lap of America" sponsored by Tire Rack at the time.... That car was a beast!
WRT Porsche owners that either wave or flash the lights...... Cayennes never, Boxsters, 996s and 997s occassionally, Caymans a bit more - 993s and prior 911s BY FAR the most often... One caveat - I get ample attention from Porsche owners when I drive my 964 and 996 GT3. However, when I am in my 997 MOST Porsche drivers simply ignore me....
In my old SC in the early 90s MOST Porsche owners would wave and smile. Times have most definitely changed.... IMHO, Porsches have become "soft" since the 993 (the 944/968 were definitely not soft) and new buyers have joined the ranks. It used to be a badge of courage to try and tame the late 70s/early 80s turbos - and if the driver screwed up, they ended up bent around a tree! "Race car for the street" was how a buddies dad introduced his 911 to me as a kid. I was "in" at that point...
-Blake
07-22-2011, 11:22 PM
#40
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Interesting
As a owner of both I have to weigh in. Have a 993 cause it to me is the last of the mohecians....It reminds me of my 1968 911 and all that is good in a 911. Nothing in the 911 lineup since 1998 does it for me (not speaking of GT3, track cars, etc). That is why I have a 95 993. Could have bought a 997 but wanted a 993.
Also have a boxster spyder currently on a boat somewhere in the atlantic. I bought the car because it too feels like a real sports car. I drove a 2012 911 at the dealer before I drove the spyder they also had in stock. No comparison for me. The spyder had so much more sports car feel, emotion, etc. The 997 was just too "soft", just too nice for my taste. I think the world is big enough of all of em, but to call a boxster demeaning names and such, well one should really try on a spyder, you might be suprised, I know I was and I never would have considerd a boxster prior to the spyder. I have a new respect for the platform. Enough respect I bought one and the choice between the 997 and spyder was not close for me.
As a owner of both I have to weigh in. Have a 993 cause it to me is the last of the mohecians....It reminds me of my 1968 911 and all that is good in a 911. Nothing in the 911 lineup since 1998 does it for me (not speaking of GT3, track cars, etc). That is why I have a 95 993. Could have bought a 997 but wanted a 993.
Also have a boxster spyder currently on a boat somewhere in the atlantic. I bought the car because it too feels like a real sports car. I drove a 2012 911 at the dealer before I drove the spyder they also had in stock. No comparison for me. The spyder had so much more sports car feel, emotion, etc. The 997 was just too "soft", just too nice for my taste. I think the world is big enough of all of em, but to call a boxster demeaning names and such, well one should really try on a spyder, you might be suprised, I know I was and I never would have considerd a boxster prior to the spyder. I have a new respect for the platform. Enough respect I bought one and the choice between the 997 and spyder was not close for me.
07-22-2011, 11:34 PM
#41
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Boxster is a good Porsche.......the topic started about lack of traffic on Boxster forum which is generated by people not the car............
Grand assumption was that Boxsters may have a higher percentage of people that are not CAR GUYS or Gals versus 911 owners....and that they could care less about the Porsche heritage or camaraderie due to lack of waving back to fellow P-car owners............that was a stab at the possible why.......there must be a reason?
Boxsters with their mid engine balance are great to drive and handle fantastically in the right hands......
Grand assumption was that Boxsters may have a higher percentage of people that are not CAR GUYS or Gals versus 911 owners....and that they could care less about the Porsche heritage or camaraderie due to lack of waving back to fellow P-car owners............that was a stab at the possible why.......there must be a reason?
Boxsters with their mid engine balance are great to drive and handle fantastically in the right hands......
07-22-2011, 11:45 PM
#42
Drifting
Interesting
As a owner of both I have to weigh in. Have a 993 cause it to me is the last of the mohecians....It reminds me of my 1968 911 and all that is good in a 911. Nothing in the 911 lineup since 1998 does it for me (not speaking of GT3, track cars, etc). That is why I have a 95 993. Could have bought a 997 but wanted a 993.
Also have a boxster spyder currently on a boat somewhere in the atlantic. I bought the car because it too feels like a real sports car. I drove a 2012 911 at the dealer before I drove the spyder they also had in stock. No comparison for me. The spyder had so much more sports car feel, emotion, etc. The 997 was just too "soft", just too nice for my taste. I think the world is big enough of all of em, but to call a boxster demeaning names and such, well one should really try on a spyder, you might be suprised, I know I was and I never would have considerd a boxster prior to the spyder. I have a new respect for the platform. Enough respect I bought one and the choice between the 997 and spyder was not close for me.
As a owner of both I have to weigh in. Have a 993 cause it to me is the last of the mohecians....It reminds me of my 1968 911 and all that is good in a 911. Nothing in the 911 lineup since 1998 does it for me (not speaking of GT3, track cars, etc). That is why I have a 95 993. Could have bought a 997 but wanted a 993.
Also have a boxster spyder currently on a boat somewhere in the atlantic. I bought the car because it too feels like a real sports car. I drove a 2012 911 at the dealer before I drove the spyder they also had in stock. No comparison for me. The spyder had so much more sports car feel, emotion, etc. The 997 was just too "soft", just too nice for my taste. I think the world is big enough of all of em, but to call a boxster demeaning names and such, well one should really try on a spyder, you might be suprised, I know I was and I never would have considerd a boxster prior to the spyder. I have a new respect for the platform. Enough respect I bought one and the choice between the 997 and spyder was not close for me.
There was a great thread over on the 997 GT3 board that evolved into a discussion about the best street Porsches... The editor of Excellence Magazine among others chimed in, and the Spyder gets significant respect.... Great read.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...-gt3-3-9l.html
-B
07-22-2011, 11:51 PM
#43
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Boxster is an awesome car. I was planning on selling mine when I bought the 993. That was 3 or 4 years ago and I just can't bring myself to part with it. There are those that know, and those that call it a girly man car. So be it...
Boxster is an awesome car. I was planning on selling mine when I bought the 993. That was 3 or 4 years ago and I just can't bring myself to part with it. There are those that know, and those that call it a girly man car. So be it...
07-23-2011, 12:14 AM
#44
I agree that the Boxster Spyder looks much better and may be the best Porsche out there at the moment.
One can still think a car looks feminine and not for me, and still think it's a fantastic performance car for someone else
One can still think a car looks feminine and not for me, and still think it's a fantastic performance car for someone else
