911ist

definitely very different cars and i totally understand the love for the 993 especially here. Before driving the R, i feel exactly like what many of you feel. But the Cayman R is a very special car and much different than the Cayman S which i've driven before and left without much feeling.

The dealer also has a Vesuvius Metallic R that i will be looking this afternoon.

Yoshinoya

Good Luck, and I'm sure this is bitter sweet for a lot of us. I have been a fan of your 993 for a long time and it's one of the reasons i have one now.

mdeleeuw

911ist - sent you a PM - just in case...

Ed Hughes

I like 'em, but they don't have enough legroom-so no Cayman for me.

BradB

It's inherently better balanced with the mid engine layout so it is easier to drive faster and is more forgiving. The 993 is edgier and has more steering feel, and there is joy on that as well. I do think the Cayman ride quality in the urban daily drive environment is more comfortable. (My 993 has PSS9 suspension) And the ability to tighten things up for the track at the push of a button is cool. (I have PASM).

mooty

stock to stock, no way in hell 993 can hang with cay r.
but that's not it's all about.
int finish
ext design
sound
all are very personal ....
i had both, if i can only have one, i would take 993C2s with moton, evo uprights and euro gear box.

camlob

Yeah I just realized that I need evo uprights. I thought that the bump steer was only slight but realized that on a sweeper with bumps, bump steer is felt strongly.

JPP

I'm afraid to drive one ... I don't want to start trouble :-) So, is it Vesuvius or Amethyst Metallic? I saw Amethyst at RRIV on a Panamera and it was a spectacular color ...

Busta Rib

Utah said it best. The only thing I will add is whether you value the old-school feel of driving a 993 vs the performance superiority of the R. Both are wonderful cars, but offer different driving experiences. I am old school and would hold onto the 993 and rent an R every now and then for track use. Best of both worlds, IMO. I'm not sure you could eke out the value on the street with an R. It would probably feel like any other modern car out there today...a little sterile.

Haven't driven an R, but I have driven an S and to me, there is nothing "special" about the driving experience, despite its performance and handling. Do a search for all the folks that have gone from 987 to 993/air-cooled. There are more than you think. I don't think you can lose either way. Nice problem to have. Your car looks gorgeous in Slate Grey, BTW.

cgfen

ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh

would LOVE to see photo's of that.

Craig

911ist

I am sure in 20yrs, people will reminisce that "old school" feeling of today's 997/991, GTR, M3 and other "sterile" sports cars...

Anyway, I loooove my 993 and my FD RX-7 for all reasons we share here so I am on your side!!! But I also appreciate the astounding performance they are able to achieve with these new cars.

Didn't get a chance to see the Vesuvius CR yet but my camera will be ready when I am called back...

race911

Real world comparison--at Rennsport Reunion Donohue's fastest lap in the race was a 1:38.1. EIGHT years ago, Chris Cervelli dipped under 1:40 flat with a (then) D Stock class 993. And that really doesn't take into account that Laguna now is a bit quicker than Laguna then, or that the 2011 Hoosier is undoubtedly better than its 2003 variant.

As a personal comparison, I struggle to go sub-1:40 with the horrible gearing that's on the yellow car, plus being subject to sound restrictions.

And a STOCK '73 RS can't hang with a stock 993.

Anyway, your "one car" kind of is the yellow car. (Why didn't you buy it?) No performance advantage in having the widebody on the track though.