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Old 08-07-2015, 05:25 AM
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Default Heeeelp - Just dyno-ed the 4S

Yeap, it has 50 HP less than it should have. Suggestions?

I did the dyno because I suspected the Varioram may not be working, but this is far worse than I imagined. And I think the Varioram works...
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Maybe a little on the low end but around 240 hp at the wheels sounds about right for a regular 2-wheel drive. Not sure about 4-wheel drive.
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Factory spec 282 hp is at the crank. On a dyno, you have to account for driveline loss of about 15%. Also different dynos yield slightly different values.
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That's corrected, so it should refer to crank. 236 at the crank is waaaaaaay too low

Thoughts?
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If it idles properly, does not use oil when NOT overfilled and it is not showing an OBD Code, I would no be looking for love here. No action required.
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What did it dyno to the wheels? What brand? Temp at test time? Many many factors play in when a car is dyno'd. I personally never focus on the baseline numbers as I use chassis dynos for tuning and to track engine modifications.
That being said, a corrected 236hp IS low compared to where it should be. What does your "butt dyno" tell you? Certainly warrants a look over.
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ok, few things.

1. Is this corrected as engine horsepower?
2. Why do the graphs not cross at 5252 rpm?
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With or without engine tray?



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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
ok, few things. 1. Is this corrected as engine horsepower? 2. Why do the graphs not cross at 5252 rpm?
Hi QC - typically hp = torque if hp is measured in hp and torque is measure in ft-lbs. Here, torque is measured in Nm (you can see this at the top right of the graph --- it says "Nm") which is why the values do not cross at 5252 rpm. That said if HP here at 238 is measured at the rear wheels, the seems reasonable after accounting for conversion back to crankshaft figures.

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Originally Posted by uberlawyer
That's corrected, so it should refer to crank. 236 at the crank is waaaaaaay too low Thoughts?
The term corrected usually refers to corrected to standard temp and pressure, not corrected to crankshaft.

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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
ok, few things.

2. Why do the graphs not cross at 5252 rpm?
Quad, Bravo.
This is the best question.

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What makes me wonder is an engine torque of 292 - is that ft.lb or Nm? Low for Nm but high for ft.lb. When mine was on the dyno last year after an engine rebuild my torque curve read a max. of 233.1 at the wheel. Factory spec is around 250 at the engine. Please correct me if I'm wrong. My engine was tweaked a bit that's why my max. Pw is up a bit...




Maybe you should consider redoing your test on a different dyno. Just looks odd.
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Originally Posted by Jlaa
Hi QC - typically hp = torque if hp is measured in hp and torque is measure in ft-lbs. Here, torque is measured it Nm which is why the values do not cross at 5252 rpm.
Ahh, thank you
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Originally Posted by uberlawyer
That's corrected, so it should refer to crank.
No. Not likely.

Do they know ho to properly dyno 4WD cars?
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Originally Posted by Jlaa
Hi QC - typically hp = torque if hp is measured in hp and torque is measure in ft-lbs. Here, torque is measured in Nm (you can see this at the top right of the graph --- it says "Nm") which is why the values do not cross at 5252 rpm. That said if HP here at 238 is measured at the rear wheels, the seems reasonable after accounting for conversion back to crankshaft figures.
got me on that one.

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