RC911

Hey Guys, I currently own a 991.2 C2 and am looking to sell and move back to a 993TT. I found one I’m interested in however the car has been at dealerships for the last 15 years.. The last guy had it for 2 years and bought tires and did brakes. He put the car up on consignment to sell. The only records are from his 2 year ownership. My question to you guys is would you consider purchasing a 24 year old car based only on a complete PPI? Car has had 4 owners and appears to be clean however I am hesitant to pull the trigger on a car with no history. Carfax offers no real history either. Car has 40k miles on it. Would appreciate your thoughts on this one.

Shark

I would as long as it was discounted appropriately.

RC911

That’s fair and I did think of that but you know how 993’s are going price wise these days so “discount” and “993” in the same sentence may not be possible. 😉

Knight

I would proceed with a PPI (including compression + leakdown #s), honestly if detailed enough this will give you a good benchmark to work off. I'd also paint meter the car + if possible maybe get a body shop to look at the car for any accident damage.

But for the right price, not even sure it's possible in today's market I wouldn't hesitate. You can be judge of say interior wear, for 40K miles it likely cosmetically should be nice.

RC911

Knight, your comments are spot on. The million dollar question is what’s the right price if the PPI comes back clean? 5%, 10%, 15%
Again in a crazy market it’s hard to negotiate anything on these 993’s because someone might just show up and pay asking price without
an inspection. True enthusiasts struggle under these market conditions but that’s a first world problem I understand.

rlme36

A little tip that was passed along to me when i got a PPI on mine, I was told to have the mech replace the plugs while they are there. This way you'll get to see the plugs coming out, have some maintenance already done and ensure a proper leak down and compression is done.

Knight

If a PPI passes and your happy with the outcome I'm not sure I would discount it. Sometimes PPI addresses things that need to be done, this would be a fair spot for negotiation but not due to lack of service history on a fairly low miles car.

If accident or unknown paintwork then yes I would push for a discount.

Bxstr

Agree with others that with a proper PPI, you're fine to purchase and I also wouldn't expect a discount. These are 20+ year old cars and during the buying and selling process, things get lost. Compression, leak down and thorough PPI would be important. Expect a couple of things to be needed with it being an older car. I'd ask to see the PPI document the shop uses, or what you can expect up front. Some shops are more thorough than others. Some will document everything, some just want to have a phone conversation after they do it and give you a very basic piece of paper. Go into it knowing what you're getting from the shop.

Yes, ideally you get service records back to new, but that is difficult to find.

RC911

All great comments, thanks guys, replacing plugs makes perfect sense since they are in there doing the compression check. If you buy the car, you’ve got fresh plugs! One guy told me to get a good air cooled mechanic to inspect it, not all are qualified. I should know by tomorrow if I’m headed to FL to put hands
on the car.

andrewjn

IMO a lack of history shouldn't depress the price or keep you from buying a nice 993TT (or any other 993 for that matter). In contrast a complete and well documented history will definitely add value to an already high quality car. Just get a very good/complete PPI. And you said it in your last post...above all put your own eyes/hands on the car.

fsa

Nahab Merz is doing a PCA Tech Tactics video on 12/1- "993 Values"

RC911

So the deal breaker for me was the consignment dealership would not allow the car to be moved anywhere off their lot. They said just bring your inspector. My thought was if I cannot get compression or leak down numbers it’s a deal breaker. I offered to pay all costs for the PPI but they said the consignor didn’t want the car moved. For me it was the right move because I couldn’t be sure of the health of the engine.

Thanks for all your inputs. My search continues for an honest 993TT.

CGT000

What are they asking for the car?

bweSteve

abiazis

Soenone will probably buy the car without any PPI and that is what that dealer is counting on, especially if there are issues.............on the half glass full side....a talk with the owner of the car would be the next step to ask about the car and any issues straight up...