Turbo993

Sorry, my mistake by not being a native speaker combined with a long day. Did not mean to contradict my earlier post. I will edit that, thanks!

RS Clubsport

Graeme, sounds like the food poisoning affected your brain as well. Suggesting you would beat a CGT on slicks with your GT2 on road tyres (even though they look like P Zero C's to me) is clearly ridiculous.

You made yourself a bit of a laughing stock on Pistonheads making statements like that, don't drag it over to Rennlist as well!

Rassel

The first part about the performance - sure it does sound incredible.

Second part about Pistonheads - sounds like you want to put Graeme to look bad. Clearly not interesting in a technical perspective.

RS Clubsport

Not trying to make Graeme look bad, just wanting to apply logic to the comments he has made.

Does anyone really think that a stock 993GT2 running road tyres can beat a Carrera GT on slicks around Silverstone GP circuit?

LAT

My CTR-2 weighs in at 1535 with full tank on certified scales, I have CF front and rear bumpers but the extra weight of a roll cage. For your car to save another 150+ kg is huge.

Why not stop guessing and find some scales and weight it with a full tank for accuracy and report back.

Felix

The GT2 has been on the scales:

Greg H.

You are obviously forgetting that the driver is a large variable. Maybe Grahame has a friend with a CGT on slicks who isn't interested in pushing his $400K car as hard as Grahame is pushing his GT2.

Greg H.

Rassel

Sorry, I don't see how Pistonheads and their reaction goes into to this logic. No pun, just don't see it.

When it comes to the logic - it clearly depends on the driver.

graeme36s

Thanks for all of your posts.
Just need to clarify a couple of points.
Terminology ?. I guess the correct factory name is 911GT as per engine lid. However we all know them as 993GT2's. To distinguish between the 95-96 build cars and the 21 98 build cars they where called the 993GT2evo. (ignoring race cars as I know it is not).
Yes my car has steel doors with electric windows, no central locking and no electric door mirrors. It was weighed on Fearnsports corner weight scales with between half and three quarters of a tank of fuel (92 litre tank) and it weighed 1343kg. I weigh 75kg. I cannot comment on the accuracy of the scales.
I drove many years ago funnily enough on silverstone gp circuit a silver 993GT2 and I was fairly unimpressed with the performance. ( I was told later that it was not a particularly good example). When I decided last year that I really wanted to buy a GT2 I did not set out to buy a 98 car. I very nearly bought another GT2 a 95 car but in the end the deal did not go through but I did make a very good friend. I did drive the car and it went quite well. I was then offered this particular GT2 that I bought. It is a 98 car chassis number WPOZZZ99ZWS392075 with 20,000 kilometeres on the clock. The car was thoroughly inspected, totally factory original and unmolested and the only fault found was it needed new plates in the diff that was paid for by the dealer that I purchased the car from. I bought the car without ever driving it. Once the car was UK registered I was then able to drive it. Yes I replaced the actuators and the dump valves but the car is far quicker than the two earlier K16 cars that I had driven. In due course I'll show the dyno report and at some point put a DL1 in the car courtesy of phelix and we can all look at the numbers. I have nothing to hide and I am more than willing to learn.
Lastly and I apologise for the length of the post but on pistonheads there was a question asked about 993GT2 and the CGT. There was quite a lot of friendly banter and some amusing comments made. Hence my comment about having to post a quicker lap time around silverstone gp on road tyres than a cgt on slicks. As we all know it all boils down to the nut behind the wheel. From what I gather our man in the CGT has managed a 2minute 16 second lap around the GP circuit in the CGT on slicks. On Tuesday he managed a 2minute 12second lap in his 996GT3 with its new 440bhp 3.9 manthey engine. In 2004 I posted a 1minute 50second lap time in a 380bhp 996 supercup car. In 1996 in a 964 carrera 2 race car running P Zero C's (not an RS) my lap times where 2minutes 10. This is the difference between an occasional track day warrior and someone who has actually raced 911's for some 15 years on and off. I once again apologise for digressing on this technical thread but I did find his comments a little antagonising.
The new air flow meter arrives tomorrow so with a bit of luck there will be time to get a dyno run as well. I'll let you know.

eclou

graeme on a 3 mile track here 50hp advantage gives about 1 second per lap, given equal drivers, suspensions, and weights. Being already 26 seconds faster per lap in the 996 supercup than the CGT, I think you will have no issues creaming that particular driver and his CGT.

Jean

The fastest Porsche cars during the 2007 FIA GT race were obviously the 997RSRs, I can see the fastest laps of 1:50s in qualifying (read empty tank, new slick tires) by no other than Emannuel Collard in his factory car.

I have never ran Silverstone unfortunately, and I don't know if there has been a change in the circuit configuration, or if these times belong to a different configuration than the FIA GT races, can you please clarify (just out of curiosity).

graeme36s

This was at an RMA track day where Mike Jordan spent the whole morning fettlling the suspension after fitting new dampers, anti roll bars (RSR set up) etc so as to optimise the handling. I did not get to drive the car till after lunch. Absolutely flat through bridge on used slicks. I'm sure from memory it was 1.50 but it was 4 years ago, might have been in the 1.50's. Either way I don't quite understand why this has been drawn into this thread by John. I'll only add to this that I have driven a 993GT2C/S around the GP on toyo 888's last year a few times running K24's. Comparing the supercup car to this CS, whatever the CS might have lacked in ultimate late braking and corner speed it more than made up for in sheer grunt out of the corner and straight line speed. I would have thought that very close to a 2minute lap would be possible on road tyres in a street GT2 .

RS Clubsport

Greame, last post on this diverted subject. Not sure where you got the times for my CGT on slicks as I was not aware of anyone timing, perhaps you can expand on this?

Secondly you state you ran a 1.50 in 2004 in a Supercup car?

Have a look at the 2006 qualifying times, you'd have beaten Alzen & Westbrook by 2 seconds in a 2004 car!!

http://www.racecam.de/index.php?lang...&rid=58&sid=13

We'll talk about it when we catch up next!

eclou

Is there a throw-down coming? I waiting for the impending pics of you 2 wrestling in a bowl of jello

Jean

Graeme

The 993GT2 in its stock form is a quite fast car by the standards of the late 90's, but not today's I am afraid.

As a reference, the fastest Silverstone lap time that I have seen for a track modified 993GT2 "R" was 2:00 flat at Porsche club GB. I don't know how good Paul Mc Lean is but the rest of the (track modified I am sure) 993GT2s were in the 2:07s.

At Hockenheim, Sport Auto clocked 1:08.6s with the CGT (second after the Donkervoort D8) whereas the 993GT2 was timed at 1:14.2s. (35th position after a bunch of N/A Porsche cars) and only 0.2 s ahead of the 993TT.

To be honest, unless the CGT driver is a novice at the track, there is not much one can do to beat it with a stock 993GT2.

But please if you guys decide to have some fun and time a few laps, let us know by any means, I am planning to have a Donnington track day 2 thursdays from now.