Need some advise on a 03 c4s, please!
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Need some advise on a 03 c4s, please!
I have had a 993, 991, but never a 996 C4S. I need advise to look out for issues that are common on these cars. My 993 has issues of its own which ended up costing a ton to fix. My 991 was trouble free! Thank you!
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pulpo (03-14-2023)
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The best advice would just be to either buy a 1999 C2 or a 996.2 Turbo. C4S has all the weight and nothing you really want. For the money a nice C4S commands, I'd much rather end up in a slightly less nice Turbo and not have to deal with a $15k M96.0 time bomb and having two pointlessly driven front wheels.
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HK G36C (03-15-2023)
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love my 996 C4S it is my favorite driving car I've ever owned, including other 911s.
Things to look out for are consistent with the other M96 engine cars, so you'll want to check that the IMS bearing has been replaced, or you should do so upon acquiring. The other bogeyman is bore scoring, which you can rule out by scoping the bottom of the cylinders from the sump. A warm weather car with regular oil changes is less likely to have scoring.
Other than that I cannot think of anything. Many of them will have little cosmetic things, like cracked taillights is incredibly common. Black foam coming through the hvac vents. And then there are the things going out with age, like the window regulators will likely be busted. Water pump and thermostat replacement seem to be a common preventative maintenance item, and many people upgrade the AOS to the UAOS. The problems are all well known and documented and most have an easy fix.
Things to look out for are consistent with the other M96 engine cars, so you'll want to check that the IMS bearing has been replaced, or you should do so upon acquiring. The other bogeyman is bore scoring, which you can rule out by scoping the bottom of the cylinders from the sump. A warm weather car with regular oil changes is less likely to have scoring.
Other than that I cannot think of anything. Many of them will have little cosmetic things, like cracked taillights is incredibly common. Black foam coming through the hvac vents. And then there are the things going out with age, like the window regulators will likely be busted. Water pump and thermostat replacement seem to be a common preventative maintenance item, and many people upgrade the AOS to the UAOS. The problems are all well known and documented and most have an easy fix.
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love my 996 C4S it is my favorite driving car I've ever owned, including other 911s.
Things to look out for are consistent with the other M96 engine cars, so you'll want to check that the IMS bearing has been replaced, or you should do so upon acquiring. The other bogeyman is bore scoring, which you can rule out by scoping the bottom of the cylinders from the sump. A warm weather car with regular oil changes is less likely to have scoring.
Other than that I cannot think of anything. Many of them will have little cosmetic things, like cracked taillights is incredibly common. Black foam coming through the hvac vents. And then there are the things going out with age, like the window regulators will likely be busted. Water pump and thermostat replacement seem to be a common preventative maintenance item, and many people upgrade the AOS to the UAOS. The problems are all well known and documented and most have an easy fix.
Things to look out for are consistent with the other M96 engine cars, so you'll want to check that the IMS bearing has been replaced, or you should do so upon acquiring. The other bogeyman is bore scoring, which you can rule out by scoping the bottom of the cylinders from the sump. A warm weather car with regular oil changes is less likely to have scoring.
Other than that I cannot think of anything. Many of them will have little cosmetic things, like cracked taillights is incredibly common. Black foam coming through the hvac vents. And then there are the things going out with age, like the window regulators will likely be busted. Water pump and thermostat replacement seem to be a common preventative maintenance item, and many people upgrade the AOS to the UAOS. The problems are all well known and documented and most have an easy fix.
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I believe you'd need the engine or trans out to 100% verify if the IMS has been changed. People usually do it when they replace the clutch. If there is no invoice/proof it it being done I'd assume it's original and should be done.
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HK G36C (03-16-2023)
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What is the cost of getting the IMS changed?
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If you're lucky, might see an extra aftermarket oil line going to the imsb and you'll know...
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HK G36C (03-16-2023)
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If you are feeling your oats, might as well do the uaos, spark plugs, coils, fuel injectors and the water pump.
Then drive the hell out of it.
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HK G36C (03-16-2023)
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The best advice would just be to either buy a 1999 C2 or a 996.2 Turbo. C4S has all the weight and nothing you really want. For the money a nice C4S commands, I'd much rather end up in a slightly less nice Turbo and not have to deal with a $15k M96.0 time bomb and having two pointlessly driven front wheels.
To the OP. Make your due diligence before the buy, as with any used car: ask for maintenance records (the most well taken care, the better) and do a PPI if possible. If everything seems ok, go for it and assume that they are all 20+ years old cars and past reliability does not guarantee future reliability
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The best advice would just be to either buy a 1999 C2 or a 996.2 Turbo. C4S has all the weight and nothing you really want. For the money a nice C4S commands, I'd much rather end up in a slightly less nice Turbo and not have to deal with a $15k M96.0 time bomb and having two pointlessly driven front wheels.
C4S 996's are highly sought after and good ones bring a price premium. That doesn't happen if they're bad cars.
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c210rg (03-17-2023)
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Another point of view about the C4S awd. 1. It's the same suspension as the revered Turbo. 2. The added front weight helps balance the rear engine weight bias, yielding superb handling (especially on track). 3. TRACTION in all situations.