Subaru BRZ over 996 according to millionaires
03-08-2024, 09:53 PM
#46
Three Wheelin'
Funnily enough, I went out to test drive a brand new BRZ several years ago, fully intending to buy it. I thought it would be great car for my son, and I liked the idea that it didn't have too much power so he couldn't get carried away. It was an excellent car in most respects, but it had zero torque in normal driving. Even with my foot in it, it just didn't feel fast. 0-60 is 6.2 seconds, which is typically fast enough for me, but honestly it felt like a 9 second 0-60 car when driving it. I liked everything else about the car, but the power delivery in normal driving took every bit of fun out of it.
I ended up buying a 996.1 C2/6sp/Coupe instead. With full leather and contrasting interior, I like everything about the 996 a million times better than the BRZ -- driving wise and inside the car. The 996 is just in a different league. The BRZ is excellent and surprisingly practical, but compared to what you get in a 996 -- it's not close. I'm aware they finally updated the 2022 BRZ to improve torque a bit (after almost 10 years???), but I'm certain I'd still take a 996 over it by a wide margin.
I'm guessing those guys have never actually driven a BRZ, so it was a hypothetical. Without real-world experience in both a BRZ and a lightweight 996 (base model is my preference), you'd probably assume the BRZ must be better. I'm guessing they'd have different opinions having driven both. That said, some could prefer the BRZ over the 996, and they'd be right for them. It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. But if 100 people drove a BRZ and a proper 996 back to back, my guess would be that the 996 would get a lot more votes (not a shock, since the 996 was an $80+k car 2000's prices).
I ended up buying a 996.1 C2/6sp/Coupe instead. With full leather and contrasting interior, I like everything about the 996 a million times better than the BRZ -- driving wise and inside the car. The 996 is just in a different league. The BRZ is excellent and surprisingly practical, but compared to what you get in a 996 -- it's not close. I'm aware they finally updated the 2022 BRZ to improve torque a bit (after almost 10 years???), but I'm certain I'd still take a 996 over it by a wide margin.
I'm guessing those guys have never actually driven a BRZ, so it was a hypothetical. Without real-world experience in both a BRZ and a lightweight 996 (base model is my preference), you'd probably assume the BRZ must be better. I'm guessing they'd have different opinions having driven both. That said, some could prefer the BRZ over the 996, and they'd be right for them. It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. But if 100 people drove a BRZ and a proper 996 back to back, my guess would be that the 996 would get a lot more votes (not a shock, since the 996 was an $80+k car 2000's prices).
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03-09-2024, 05:32 AM
#47
Seriously, the FA's have very little objectively going for them. All the people throwing K24's into the ZN6/ZN8 are doing the car a huge favor.
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03-09-2024, 06:30 AM
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I know I mentioned it earlier but man… they also have the 2.0 Turbo used in the Supra if the GR Corolla isn’t an option. The engines are in Toyota’s inventory.
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03-09-2024, 02:53 PM
#50
Funnily enough, I went out to test drive a brand new BRZ several years ago, fully intending to buy it. I thought it would be great car for my son, and I liked the idea that it didn't have too much power so he couldn't get carried away. It was an excellent car in most respects, but it had zero torque in normal driving. Even with my foot in it, it just didn't feel fast. 0-60 is 6.2 seconds, which is typically fast enough for me, but honestly it felt like a 9 second 0-60 car when driving it. I liked everything else about the car, but the power delivery in normal driving took every bit of fun out of it.
I ended up buying a 996.1 C2/6sp/Coupe instead. With full leather and contrasting interior, I like everything about the 996 a million times better than the BRZ -- driving wise and inside the car. The 996 is just in a different league. The BRZ is excellent and surprisingly practical, but compared to what you get in a 996 -- it's not close. I'm aware they finally updated the 2022 BRZ to improve torque a bit (after almost 10 years???), but I'm certain I'd still take a 996 over it by a wide margin.
I'm guessing those guys have never actually driven a BRZ, so it was a hypothetical. Without real-world experience in both a BRZ and a lightweight 996 (base model is my preference), you'd probably assume the BRZ must be better. I'm guessing they'd have different opinions having driven both. That said, some could prefer the BRZ over the 996, and they'd be right for them. It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. But if 100 people drove a BRZ and a proper 996 back to back, my guess would be that the 996 would get a lot more votes (not a shock, since the 996 was an $80+k car 2000's prices).
I ended up buying a 996.1 C2/6sp/Coupe instead. With full leather and contrasting interior, I like everything about the 996 a million times better than the BRZ -- driving wise and inside the car. The 996 is just in a different league. The BRZ is excellent and surprisingly practical, but compared to what you get in a 996 -- it's not close. I'm aware they finally updated the 2022 BRZ to improve torque a bit (after almost 10 years???), but I'm certain I'd still take a 996 over it by a wide margin.
I'm guessing those guys have never actually driven a BRZ, so it was a hypothetical. Without real-world experience in both a BRZ and a lightweight 996 (base model is my preference), you'd probably assume the BRZ must be better. I'm guessing they'd have different opinions having driven both. That said, some could prefer the BRZ over the 996, and they'd be right for them. It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. But if 100 people drove a BRZ and a proper 996 back to back, my guess would be that the 996 would get a lot more votes (not a shock, since the 996 was an $80+k car 2000's prices).
). Plus, 30mpg all day long, $90 a tire, etc. It's also very practical. I've gone wild camping in Norway with mine, hauled a bicycle, did tons of Ikea runs (including 2x 8ft oak countertops in one trip).
The 86 will be your DD where the 996 is the weekend toy.
03-09-2024, 05:32 PM
#51
Three Wheelin'
K Swaps are hardly sorted at the moment. Lots of NVH, so much that folks are breaking their TB bolts within a few hours of running. Fine for a track car, not for a street car.
The running costs are not even close though. I've run my 86 for seven years on nothing but oil changes and regular maintenance. The car must have cost me 3k total in maintenance over 45k miles. Good luck get even close to that number in a 996 (luck is actually what you'll need!). Plus, 30mpg all day long, $90 a tire, etc.
It's also very practical. I've gone wild camping in Norway with mine, hauled a bicycle, did tons of Ikea runs (including 2x 8ft oak countertops in one trip).
The 86 will be your DD where the 996 is the weekend toy.
The running costs are not even close though. I've run my 86 for seven years on nothing but oil changes and regular maintenance. The car must have cost me 3k total in maintenance over 45k miles. Good luck get even close to that number in a 996 (luck is actually what you'll need!
). Plus, 30mpg all day long, $90 a tire, etc.It's also very practical. I've gone wild camping in Norway with mine, hauled a bicycle, did tons of Ikea runs (including 2x 8ft oak countertops in one trip).
The 86 will be your DD where the 996 is the weekend toy.
Both my 996's have been very, very reliable, and I would not hesitate to drive it daily. The first 996 C4 Tip we had was my wife's daily driver for years, even during snow (with winter tires). Agree the BRZ is surprisingly practical for it's size -- I brought my son's largest jazz guitar/case to the BRZ test drive and it fit.
Just the lack of torque really, really took every bit of fun out of it for me for an otherwise excellent car. I don't know how they went almost a decade until they improved the torque, or why they didn't offer a supercharger or turbocharger option -- it was screaming for it. Of course, it took Porsche a decade to finally eliminate the IMS bearing with the 997.2. So there's that
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03-10-2024, 05:27 AM
#52
I agree -- which one is best all depends on what you are looking for and what are using it for. Maintenance and worries about potential issues are going to be much lower.
Both my 996's have been very, very reliable, and I would not hesitate to drive it daily. The first 996 C4 Tip we had was my wife's daily driver for years, even during snow (with winter tires). Agree the BRZ is surprisingly practical for it's size -- I brought my son's largest jazz guitar/case to the BRZ test drive and it fit.
Just the lack of torque really, really took every bit of fun out of it for me for an otherwise excellent car. I don't know how they went almost a decade until they improved the torque, or why they didn't offer a supercharger or turbocharger option -- it was screaming for it. Of course, it took Porsche a decade to finally eliminate the IMS bearing with the 997.2. So there's that.
Both my 996's have been very, very reliable, and I would not hesitate to drive it daily. The first 996 C4 Tip we had was my wife's daily driver for years, even during snow (with winter tires). Agree the BRZ is surprisingly practical for it's size -- I brought my son's largest jazz guitar/case to the BRZ test drive and it fit.
Just the lack of torque really, really took every bit of fun out of it for me for an otherwise excellent car. I don't know how they went almost a decade until they improved the torque, or why they didn't offer a supercharger or turbocharger option -- it was screaming for it. Of course, it took Porsche a decade to finally eliminate the IMS bearing with the 997.2. So there's that
.Your perception also highly depends on where you're coming from. 996 apart, I'd never owed a car with more than 170-180lb.ft of torque. So the 86 seems more than reasonably torquey. Also depends on where you're driving it. My home region is mostly flat at around 500ft-ish altitude. Driving the 86 with a passenger, a toddler and vacation luggage through the Swiss mountains was a bit more tedious.
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03-11-2024, 12:29 PM
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03-11-2024, 04:59 PM
#54
Haha I'll give it a try!
03-11-2024, 05:27 PM
#55
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Maybe someone wants to buy a new BRZ and meet Jerry at the Hershey Swapmeat and see of he wants to trade his new 996 for it.
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04-03-2024, 02:39 AM
#57
Burning Brakes
There is no way Jerry would buy a BRZ over a 996, not a chance. Think about that for a second. Here comes Jerry Seinfeld pulling up to C and C in a ....BRZ. Laughable. He would however pull up in a 996, cause he bought a million dollar one.
Jerry is a cool guy don't be too hard on him, it's just words, his actions speak louder.
Jerry is a cool guy don't be too hard on him, it's just words, his actions speak louder.
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04-03-2024, 02:52 AM
#58
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For what is worth, I just sold my GR86, which is the same car as BRZ but better look imo, with 1,200 miles.
Great car and really fun to drive. The weight is key. Very light to toss around to have fun but the power band is really flat above 4k rpm. It's a great car to learn the fundamental but feels cheap quickly. I do have to agree for 33k and new car warranty, nothing else can be more fun out there.
Having said above, I still much prefer the Porsche experience, specifically 986 Boxster S & 996 Carrera that are in the same price range as BRZ/GR86. There's no substitute, if one can afford it!
Great car and really fun to drive. The weight is key. Very light to toss around to have fun but the power band is really flat above 4k rpm. It's a great car to learn the fundamental but feels cheap quickly. I do have to agree for 33k and new car warranty, nothing else can be more fun out there.
Having said above, I still much prefer the Porsche experience, specifically 986 Boxster S & 996 Carrera that are in the same price range as BRZ/GR86. There's no substitute, if one can afford it!