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Old 04-03-2024, 01:33 PM
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I have one anecdote as it relates to the younger crowd and the 996. The only time I take my car to the dealer is for a state inspection. It's right up the street from me and I'd rather not leave it with Firestone. The last time I was there the teenaged porter who had earlier parked my car came running across the service drive as I was getting in it to tell me how much he loved my car and how nice it is. I figure that kid has got to be pretty jaded when it comes to Porsche cars as I see all sorts of fancy stuff rolling through that place when I go in.

Other than that one experience, I'm pretty much ignored in my car wherever I go. Even other 996 drivers don't return my waves. :-/
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Originally Posted by Formerly996fried
After reading all the posts, I am willing to bet that some of these air-cooled Porsches will eventually be trailered to events rather than driven. Like some other marks, Porsche air-cooled 911s will become too valuable to be driven on the local roads.
Originally Posted by 2mAn
There were ZERO aircooled cars at the PCA auto-x. The 996s were the old cars
Porsche owners as a whole are great people who are kind and very thoughtfull, and personable...

But you will find some Snobs, and they will ususally be at the C&C events..If you get involved in PCA and y'all have a lot of "driving events ' like we do.....just gatherings to go drive the backroads to a predetermined place for a lunch gathering, or to a car musiuem, or to a watterfall, or historic site, or view...this is where you will find the good car people with the water-cooled cars. Hardly ever will there be an air-cooled car, ( they just aren't reliable enough ususally, or thier owners aren't really interested in driving them).. and no Snobs at all...

I remember many times we would have 30-40 cars for a drive and only 1 or 2 air-cooled cars, and they would break-down in the middle of the drive, or have to peel-off early due to car trouble...I was the "Sweeper " for the driving event and would have to stay behind to get them going again, or get them help/tow...

But the driving events, Track events, or just Daily Duty is where all the water-cooled cars are....
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Old 04-03-2024, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Kessel
Made it out to a GGR PCA cars and coffee yesterday (Pete's coffee in Los Gatos) and was surprised at the lack of 996's in attendance.

Good representation of 986's, 987's, 944's, 968 (at least 1), a 914, 356, air cooled 911's, a soft top 911 targa....... GT cars of every color (GT3/GT3 RS's, GT4/GT4 RS's) multiple silver 993 C4S's

Plenty of 991, 992 variants, but only one 996........ lots of 997s..... I just found it strange at the lack of 996's. (also no 928's)

Is this the norm? (are 996 owners too religious to attend a cars and coffee on Easter?)

-Eric
04 996
99 986
09 987.2 CS (too recently departed to discuss)
90 964 (rear ended by a school bus)
90 944S2 (little old lady in a Honda tried to drive over the hood)
87 951 (failed drivers ed)
Ah shoot i would have came but i didnt see there was a C&C that day. I went to the previous event though in San Carlos at AutoVino. I think i saw one 996 there, maybe that was you?

I do know that the 996s are slowly but surely becoming more desirable. Which is one small reason why i decided to buy one a couple years ago. The prices for these may only increase so i thought id get one before it was too late haha.

Maybe i'll see you at one of the GGR events these days.

My name is also Eric lol
Old 04-03-2024, 05:00 PM
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Eric, my black 996 was at the Autovino meet.

Any chance you could recommend either the Alice’s breakfast meet this Saturday, or the EASY meet, at the same time?

-Eric
Old 04-03-2024, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Major Dash
30 here… and I’ll add on top of this. Sally from Pixar’s Cars was a 996.2 as well, which came out when I was a kid.
By the time that movie came out in 2006 I was 15/16 years old, so I never really saw it. Still haven’t to this day. Fast and Furious is what did it for me. I wonder if there’s less/more kids into cars today than in the past. I remember writing an entire story for an assignment in which I basically just described my future fictional car with all of its mods in detail, including but not limited to Sparco seats and steering wheel, a SSK, “Altezza” tail lights (these were so popular) and of course, a loud exhaust. I remember this well, because I never had more fun writing something, and I failed the assignment lol. my 2yo son absolutely loves cars and trucks, and I’m doing everything I can with him to keep that going.



Originally Posted by hoofdpijn
Even other 996 drivers don't return my waves. :-/
Heartbreaking lol
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Old 04-03-2024, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Kessel
Eric, my black 996 was at the Autovino meet.

Any chance you could recommend either the Alice’s breakfast meet this Saturday, or the EASY meet, at the same time?

-Eric
Alices is always great. Cant go wrong. I will be going to the Fanatec GT races this Saturday so i wont be at any meets. I know there is one in Santa Clara on Sunday tho. i was invited to go there but i dont think i'll make it.

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Old 04-03-2024, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Kessel
Eric, my black 996 was at the Autovino meet.

Any chance you could recommend either the Alice’s breakfast meet this Saturday, or the EASY meet, at the same time?

-Eric
Also shoot i must have missed you at AutoVino. i dont know if you saw it, but i had the 996 Aerokit with the bike racks on it.
Old 04-03-2024, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by zbomb
Better track cars than C&C maybe ? Normally see a fairly good turnout for the track days in these parts.
Less of a loss than a 991 or 992.
Old 04-03-2024, 11:08 PM
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I just gladly handed over top dollar for a one owner, glacier white, 6-speed, 99 coupe. Factory black leather sport seats with color matched rear shells, limited slip, 18” twists, and some other fun options.

I own other Porsches including an 05 GT3 and a 718 cayman 4.0. So I’m a pcar koolaid addict. no doubt.

My point though is: People are seeking out and paying for cool 996’s right now. I looked for a long time for a car like this. I’m so excited about it. I love the size and lightness of the 996, especially the early ones. (I had a 99 before and have regretted selling it.) There is an ocean of difference in driving experience between the 99 and the 05 GT3. They are two wildly different cars. The 99 is just a perfect mix between old and new and a delight to drive. In my view it’s a damned near perfect weekend toy and car to drive to work on Fridays.
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Originally Posted by ChampInSD
I just gladly handed over top dollar for a one owner, glacier white, 6-speed, 99 coupe. Factory black leather sport seats with color matched rear shells, limited slip, 18” twists, and some other fun options.

I own other Porsches including an 05 GT3 and a 718 cayman 4.0. So I’m a pcar koolaid addict. no doubt.

My point though is: People are seeking out and paying for cool 996’s right now. I looked for a long time for a car like this. I’m so excited about it. I love the size and lightness of the 996, especially the early ones. (I had a 99 before and have regretted selling it.) There is an ocean of difference in driving experience between the 99 and the 05 GT3. They are two wildly different cars. The 99 is just a perfect mix between old and new and a delight to drive. In my view it’s a damned near perfect weekend toy and car to drive to work on Fridays.
I'm on my fourth Porsche.... it's a 1998 build '99 Carrera C4 coupe and I have to say... I totally get it. Both of my other 996 cars were mk2 and while I loved driving those cars, there is something very unique about the driving experience with this one.... a lot more "raw" than the mk2 996s. And while the C2 would have been my pick, this C4 is surprising similar in driving experience; heck, I have to remind myself that it's an AWD car because it virtually has zero torque steer. The exhaust seems a little deeper in tone, but still has that classic flat 6 mechanical sound when pushing the revs through the gears. Everything is stock on this car and I'm fortunate to say it's a solid example of the '99 cars.
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Old 04-04-2024, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ChampInSD
I just gladly handed over top dollar for a one owner, glacier white, 6-speed, 99 coupe. Factory black leather sport seats with color matched rear shells, limited slip, 18” twists, and some other fun options.

I own other Porsches including an 05 GT3 and a 718 cayman 4.0. So I’m a pcar koolaid addict. no doubt.

My point though is: People are seeking out and paying for cool 996’s right now. I looked for a long time for a car like this. I’m so excited about it. I love the size and lightness of the 996, especially the early ones. (I had a 99 before and have regretted selling it.) There is an ocean of difference in driving experience between the 99 and the 05 GT3. They are two wildly different cars. The 99 is just a perfect mix between old and new and a delight to drive. In my view it’s a damned near perfect weekend toy and car to drive to work on Fridays.
C&C people will never understand the allure of the 996, especially the early build 996. I'd rather enjoy the back roads to my fav lunch spot with my fav passenger on a nice Sat morning. C&C isn't the right crowd for the 996. IYKYK and we know.
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Old 04-04-2024, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Black
Ah shoot i would have came but i didnt see there was a C&C that day. I went to the previous event though in San Carlos at AutoVino. I think i saw one 996 there, maybe that was you?

I do know that the 996s are slowly but surely becoming more desirable. Which is one small reason why i decided to buy one a couple years ago. The prices for these may only increase so i thought id get one before it was too late haha.

Maybe i'll see you at one of the GGR events these days.

My name is also Eric lol
Originally Posted by Eric Kessel
Eric, my black 996 was at the Autovino meet.

Any chance you could recommend either the Alice’s breakfast meet this Saturday, or the EASY meet, at the same time?

-Eric
Auto-Vino is doing a thing again tomorrow afternoon, wanna go? I've enjoyed it so much more than any "normal" C&C.

Originally Posted by GC996
Yeah, the air cooled guys are getting older as each day goes by. As such, the mindset is shifting.

Those that used to track their air cooled cars don't anymore because prices have gone up substantially and they dont want to risk damage. Quite a few are selling, taking profits and buying water cooled cars. Who can blame them?

Not to mention, air cooled cars are down 200-300 hp to the new 911s and Caymans that now populate a DE event. A good portion of these guys are exceptional drivers, but their cars can't keep up with the power and techno wizardry of the new cars. I know quite a few who are going thru or have gone thru this exercise.
It's really just the value of the car vs risk to personal safety if you track it. Air-cooled cars are still faster than my 525i and I run THAT in slow-advanced HPDE groups full of Turbos and GT3's. If I get wadded up I find another shell for $2k and try again, if you wad up a 930 you better have good track AND medical insurance.

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Old 04-04-2024, 09:48 PM
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I’ve been surprised and disappointed at 996-hate at car shows.

People have gone out of their way to tell me that they don’t like the 996. Pointing out the headlights… saying it’s their least favorite gen. Etc etc.

its honestly kinda shocking at what is supposed to be a meet for enthusiasts.

I wonder if that kind of behavior and attitude has made other 996 owners shy away from meets.

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Originally Posted by DSA5
I’ve been surprised and disappointed at 996-hate at car shows.

People have gone out of their way to tell me that they don’t like the 996. Pointing out the headlights… saying it’s their least favorite gen. Etc etc.

its honestly kinda shocking at what is supposed to be a meet for enthusiasts.

I wonder if that kind of behavior and attitude has made other 996 owners shy away from meets.

^^^^^^ Those kind of people are missing some testosterone ....

If they are driving a Porsche older than a 996 tell them you don't like cars that the pedals swivel at the bottom.....

If they drive a newer model Porsche, buy them a beer and tell them how much money you saved by not buying the model they drive...




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Old 04-04-2024, 10:21 PM
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Sounds just like what happened with the 964. Give it another year or two and the same knuckleheads will be asking you for a ride and autograph. Like I said earlier on this thread, someday the girl next door grows up and everybody wants to date her. Just wait.
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