Cheap Wheels on Ebay Feedback requested

rwiii · 11-03-2009, 10:14 PM

Anyone have any experience with the $500 for 4 wheels available on Ebay from Wheels and Caps? These guys provide a real phone number and move a lot of volume--98.8 Positive feedback.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18-8-...Q5fAccessories
I understand the obvious: You get what you pay for; they are cast, not forged, they are painted, not powdercoated, they are from China, they weren't hand made, etc. etc. For just tooling around how bad could they be? You hit a curb and they're history? These are cheaper than forged wheels can be repaired for. Is it likely they could just disintegrate at 65mph all at once? I appreciate in advance all the warnings you're about to give me but I would be interested in anyone who has given them a try. Thanks!

knfeparty · 11-03-2009, 10:29 PM

well for what it's worth I think most factory Porsche wheels are not forged except the Turbo wheels....

They will probably be heavy but $500 for a set of 4 is a pretty good deal. I bet they are heavy but I haven't been able to find any used wheels for $500 so these might make some okay autocross wheels except for the weight...

Go for it and tell us how they perform (:

Ask them to provide some sort of documentation on the claimed DOT and etc specifications that these wheels supposedly meet and see what they say.

From an engineering standpoint...these will be more likely to catastrophically break in the event of an impact with a pothole (or accident) or for example curbing on a race track. But getting broken while driving on a flat even surface seems pretty out of the question.

rwiii · 11-03-2009, 10:32 PM

Thanks for that. I was going to use my OEM for track and use these for tooling around

knfeparty · 11-03-2009, 10:41 PM

That would be safer...I would do that except my 996 wheels are the fancy-pants shot-peened semi-polished ones and I would feel bad messing them up.

Marc Gelefsky · 11-03-2009, 10:44 PM

I'm sure the chinese wheels are ok for the street, but as you said, you get what you pay for.

Edgy01 · 11-03-2009, 11:06 PM

Chinese wheels are getting better all the time. They are no doubt manufactured through a pressure cast method. But of course, the majority of today's Porsche OEM wheels are also pressure cast by BBS or Ronal.

I have seen a set of Carrera Sports (XRR--like on my car) for $650. For a set!

But you have to ask yourself if you want to continue to support China, a country that doesn't honor patent rights, etc. Personally, I would rather send my dollars to Germany or to Italy, than to China. But that's me. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. Of course, it will cheapen your vehicle. When you sell your car you will need to disclose that you have Chinese wheels on it. If not, someday, someone will discover that they got screwed out of OEM wheels.

Safe? Most likely. But then, you have to decide how safe is safe enough for you. Porsche goes through a very rigorous subvendor qualification process. China doesn't do anything like that. They simply buy a real Porsche wheel, make a mold from it, and then start cranking out one after another.

Marc Gelefsky · 11-03-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Edgy01

Chinese wheels are getting better all the time. They are no doubt manufactured through a pressure cast method. But of course, the majority of today's Porsche OEM wheels are also pressure cast by BBS or Ronal.

I have seen a set of Carrera Sports (XRR--like on my car) for $650. For a set!

But you have to ask yourself if you want to continue to support China, a country that doesn't honor patent rights, etc. Personally, I would rather send my dollars to Germany or to Italy, than to China. But that's me. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. Of course, it will cheapen your vehicle. When you sell your car you will need to disclose that you have Chinese wheels on it. If not, someday, someone will discover that they got screwed out of OEM wheels.

Safe? Most likely. But then, you have to decide how safe is safe enough for you. Porsche goes through a very rigorous subvendor qualification process. China doesn't do anything like that. They simply buy a real Porsche wheel, make a mold from it, and then start cranking out one after another.

I'm with you Dan, I'd rather pay a few bucks more for OEM or a replica from Germany or Italy

Edgy01 · 11-03-2009, 11:42 PM

I like the wheels on your 02. I have a buddy with a 996 who would love to find a set like those!

rwiii · 11-03-2009, 11:54 PM

I'm keeping my OEM wheels so can always stick them back on for resale. They're not a few more bucks though--theyre more than double. Do you think the Italian or German copies are sending a check for Porsche for each one? Dan, what I really want are those Fuchs you were talking about!

Mother · 11-04-2009, 12:15 AM

I did not see where on there site that states they where made in china, but they are pretty cheap. The ones produced in Italy are priced a little higher and the quality is pretty good but are heavy. I think I would feel safer buying from the king of knock off's.

The Carrera Lightweight's SALE $1199

http://www.wheeldynamics.net/Wheels.html

Edgy01 · 11-04-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rwiii

I'm keeping my OEM wheels so can always stick them back on for resale. They're not a few more bucks though--theyre more than double. Do you think the Italian or German copies are sending a check for Porsche for each one? Dan, what I really want are those Fuchs you were talking about!

You and me, both! I will check in with them again and see how things are coming with the new Fuchs, and when they think the first ones will be available. They would be the only other wheel that I would ever be interested in.

ivangene · 11-04-2009, 01:02 AM

I think the title says it all - cheap wheels

Dennis C · 11-04-2009, 08:58 AM

I ended up buying Italian replica Sport Techno wheels for my snow tires. The set of four was about $1,200. Even those worry me for anything other than easy driving in winter conditions - maybe I'm too paranoid.

I think a set of replicas is okay as long as you keep the OEM wheels. These should do fine for you.

RallyJon · 11-04-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Gelefsky

I'm with you Dan, I'd rather pay a few bucks more for OEM or a replica from Germany or Italy

I think you may have too much trust in the integrity of those European suppliers.

nick49 · 11-04-2009, 12:56 PM

I'm not certain the "Made in China" would stop me. Although I'd like to think buying something made elsewhere would help the cause. The replacement Porsche motor installed in my 996 a few years ago has a Bosch sensor located near the intake that states "China". A friend that was a GM for a BMW motorcycle dealership told me a couple of weeks ago that the 650 and 800 BMWs are made in China. I know Harley Davidson and most all of the American made custom V-Twins are loaded with parts and major components of Chinese manufacture. Much of the high end climbing and mountaineering gear is now made there as well. I agree, it's sad to see nearly everything we consume made there, but on the other hand our choices are limited.

11-03-2009, 10:14 PM	#1
rwiii User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 72	Cheap Wheels on Ebay Feedback requested Anyone have any experience with the $500 for 4 wheels available on Ebay from Wheels and Caps? These guys provide a real phone number and move a lot of volume--98.8 Positive feedback. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18-8-...Q5fAccessories I understand the obvious: You get what you pay for; they are cast, not forged, they are painted, not powdercoated, they are from China, they weren't hand made, etc. etc. For just tooling around how bad could they be? You hit a curb and they're history? These are cheaper than forged wheels can be repaired for. Is it likely they could just disintegrate at 65mph all at once? I appreciate in advance all the warnings you're about to give me but I would be interested in anyone who has given them a try. Thanks!

11-03-2009, 10:29 PM	#2
knfeparty Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Duval County Posts: 1,987	well for what it's worth I think most factory Porsche wheels are not forged except the Turbo wheels.... They will probably be heavy but $500 for a set of 4 is a pretty good deal. I bet they are heavy but I haven't been able to find any used wheels for $500 so these might make some okay autocross wheels except for the weight... Go for it and tell us how they perform (: Ask them to provide some sort of documentation on the claimed DOT and etc specifications that these wheels supposedly meet and see what they say. From an engineering standpoint...these will be more likely to catastrophically break in the event of an impact with a pothole (or accident) or for example curbing on a race track. But getting broken while driving on a flat even surface seems pretty out of the question. __________________ E Stock Alpine White on Blue 1989 944 NA 2.7L 8v. Options: 030 (Sport Chassis) 220 (LSD), short 5th, driver sport seat cloth GT Silver 2004 911 40 Jahre edition PCM2, heated memory comfort seats, 030, 220, x51 included of course

11-03-2009, 10:41 PM	#4
knfeparty Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Duval County Posts: 1,987	That would be safer...I would do that except my 996 wheels are the fancy-pants shot-peened semi-polished ones and I would feel bad messing them up. __________________ E Stock Alpine White on Blue 1989 944 NA 2.7L 8v. Options: 030 (Sport Chassis) 220 (LSD), short 5th, driver sport seat cloth GT Silver 2004 911 40 Jahre edition PCM2, heated memory comfort seats, 030, 220, x51 included of course

11-03-2009, 10:44 PM	#5
Marc Gelefsky Super Moderator Lifetime Rennlist Member Join Date: May 1998 Location: Northern New Jersey Posts: 8,707	I'm sure the chinese wheels are ok for the street, but as you said, you get what you pay for. __________________ Marc Gelefsky 02 996 Coupe 6 Speed Aero 86 911 Carrera Targa - Guards Red 00 Saab 9-5 Aero Wagon - Winter Beater, Dog & Kid Hauler 04 Audi Allroad 2.7T 6 Speed - Wife's Ride Gone - 88 951, 87 951, 86 944na, 85.5 944na x2, 01 Boxster S

11-03-2009, 11:06 PM	#6
Edgy01 Poseur Rennlist Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,280	Chinese wheels are getting better all the time. They are no doubt manufactured through a pressure cast method. But of course, the majority of today's Porsche OEM wheels are also pressure cast by BBS or Ronal. I have seen a set of Carrera Sports (XRR--like on my car) for $650. For a set! But you have to ask yourself if you want to continue to support China, a country that doesn't honor patent rights, etc. Personally, I would rather send my dollars to Germany or to Italy, than to China. But that's me. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. Of course, it will cheapen your vehicle. When you sell your car you will need to disclose that you have Chinese wheels on it. If not, someday, someone will discover that they got screwed out of OEM wheels. Safe? Most likely. But then, you have to decide how safe is safe enough for you. Porsche goes through a very rigorous subvendor qualification process. China doesn't do anything like that. They simply buy a real Porsche wheel, make a mold from it, and then start cranking out one after another. __________________ Dan 06 997S PCCB Hard-Top Cabrio Turq. Blue, Nat. Brn Leather http://www.rennteam.com/photopost/sh...00&ppuser=8756

11-03-2009, 10:32 PM	#3
rwiii User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 72	Thanks for that. I was going to use my OEM for track and use these for tooling around

11-03-2009, 11:42 PM	#8
Edgy01 Poseur Rennlist Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 9,280	I like the wheels on your 02. I have a buddy with a 996 who would love to find a set like those! __________________ Dan 06 997S PCCB Hard-Top Cabrio Turq. Blue, Nat. Brn Leather http://www.rennteam.com/photopost/sh...00&ppuser=8756

11-03-2009, 11:54 PM	#9
rwiii User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 72	I'm keeping my OEM wheels so can always stick them back on for resale. They're not a few more bucks though--theyre more than double. Do you think the Italian or German copies are sending a check for Porsche for each one? Dan, what I really want are those Fuchs you were talking about!

11-04-2009, 12:15 AM	#10
Mother User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 678	I did not see where on there site that states they where made in china, but they are pretty cheap. The ones produced in Italy are priced a little higher and the quality is pretty good but are heavy. I think I would feel safer buying from the king of knock off's. The Carrera Lightweight's SALE $1199 http://www.wheeldynamics.net/Wheels.html

11-04-2009, 01:02 AM	#12
ivangene Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Washington State - Near Seattle Posts: 4,378	I think the title says it all - cheap wheels __________________ FOR SALE: 99' C2 Black/Savanna original mill w/ 113k miles - 6 Speed Eibach springs - 18' wheels - Aero front bumper - Clear sides, tails and headlights (amerectomy) - 997 shift assy - CF GT3 style fixed back seats - 15mm F & 7mm R spacers - 3.6 cans w/MKII "hack" Ed Mitchell (owner/operator)

11-04-2009, 08:58 AM	#13
Dennis C A Texan Hoosier Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 2,624	I ended up buying Italian replica Sport Techno wheels for my snow tires. The set of four was about $1,200. Even those worry me for anything other than easy driving in winter conditions - maybe I'm too paranoid. I think a set of replicas is okay as long as you keep the OEM wheels. These should do fine for you. __________________ Dennis 2004 Porsche Cayenne S 2002 Porsche Carrera 4S 1995 Volvo 850 GLT PCA Member

11-04-2009, 12:56 PM	#15
nick49 User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 393	I'm not certain the "Made in China" would stop me. Although I'd like to think buying something made elsewhere would help the cause. The replacement Porsche motor installed in my 996 a few years ago has a Bosch sensor located near the intake that states "China". A friend that was a GM for a BMW motorcycle dealership told me a couple of weeks ago that the 650 and 800 BMWs are made in China. I know Harley Davidson and most all of the American made custom V-Twins are loaded with parts and major components of Chinese manufacture. Much of the high end climbing and mountaineering gear is now made there as well. I agree, it's sad to see nearly everything we consume made there, but on the other hand our choices are limited.