The IMS discussion thread (Read this first!)
#541
Rennlist Member
I'm still trying to get a feel for the current condition of the motor. Be that I didn't find much in the pan when I dropped it recently or in the filter, I'm encouraged. I don't know how much use the photos were from sump. That was far more difficult than anticipated. I hope to see the results of the oil analysis next week. Mine being a 03 tip and likely having to drop the motor to do the ims, may as well as go all the way to the solution. Need more info first. AOS, RMS too at the same time, plus a bunch hoses etc, maybe sensors too.
#542
2005 Boxster S New or Old IMS
I understand that Porsche upgraded the IMS design mid year 2005 in the Boxsters. I have a 2005 Boxster S and am trying to confirm that I have the new style bearing. Can I do this check using my VIN somehow? Other tagging on the car that can help me?
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
#543
Rennlist Member
https://lnengineering.com/products/t...s-bearing.html
#544
Well, my plan was to replace my IMSB with the Pelican bearing with the intention of replacing it on an interval - 2-3 years possibly (about 5-8k km a year.) I just discovered that I have a dual row in my 01 and it feels even more firm rolling than the Pelican IMSB that I was planning to install. Would you guys put an old bearing back in or just go ahead with replacing?
I went with the Pelican kit because I can't justify the prices of the other kits (yes I will certainly regret it if I ever have an IMSB failure.) I have a shop and tools to do this job on an interval so I figured the Pelican kit was best for me.
I have a leaking RMS anyway so I had to get in there. It has the updated RMS and 3 row flange seal, I can only assume the previous owner decided to keep the dual row and just replace seals and clutch.
Is it even an IMSB job without a pic?
I went with the Pelican kit because I can't justify the prices of the other kits (yes I will certainly regret it if I ever have an IMSB failure.) I have a shop and tools to do this job on an interval so I figured the Pelican kit was best for me.
I have a leaking RMS anyway so I had to get in there. It has the updated RMS and 3 row flange seal, I can only assume the previous owner decided to keep the dual row and just replace seals and clutch.
Is it even an IMSB job without a pic?
#545
Thanks for the info. I decided to just go with the IMS Solution afterall. While a pretty easy job, I don't want to be doing it again lol
This might be equally unpopular to the single row Pelican bearing option, but I like it, and have done it twice. You can relatively easily find a 5204 2RS bearing (3204 is also the same as 5204) for about $50, which is a double row bearing. The difference between that and what you pulled out is the extra width where the spring groove sits (you will not find one with the machined groove, but it is possible to find one with the same width without the machined groove). The Pelican kit will work with a 5204 2RS, with a slight modification to the inner race spacer.
#546
Rennlist Member
This might be equally unpopular to the single row Pelican bearing option, but I like it, and have done it twice. You can relatively easily find a 5204 2RS bearing (3204 is also the same as 5204) for about $50, which is a double row bearing. The difference between that and what you pulled out is the extra width where the spring groove sits (you will not find one with the machined groove, but it is possible to find one with the same width without the machined groove). The Pelican kit will work with a 5204 2RS, with a slight modification to the inner race spacer.
I will add that the "Solution" is heavily discounted on ebay for over 30% off by the very manufacturer but under a different store name (type4store). They claim it is an "open box" or a "return" but I know someone who got a new sealed kit and got a deal on the tool rental from LN with no expensive prequalification, etc. Or, are they really selling "returns" that might be of a lessor quality. There are other ebay vendors selling at a discount too. Regardless, I wouldn't feel great about ever paying full price for "The Solution". Kinda sucks that vendors do this, but they do.
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#547
Rennlist Member
This is really the way it should be, and to go further, I think there is a "generic" cylindrical option as well for about the same price. I went with one of the branded cylindrical bearings only because when I sell the car I think it would be difficult to explain to any degree of a buyer's satisfaction that the bearing is good to go even if it has no name. I could not and still have not found anyone claiming a failure of any of the cylindrical bearings.
I will add that the "Solution" is heavily discounted on ebay for over 30% off by the very manufacturer but under a different store name (type4store). They claim it is an "open box" or a "return" but I know someone who got a new sealed kit and got a deal on the tool rental from LN with no expensive prequalification, etc. Or, are they really selling "returns" that might be of a lessor quality. There are other ebay vendors selling at a discount too. Regardless, I wouldn't feel great about ever paying full price for "The Solution". Kinda sucks that vendors do this, but they do.
I will add that the "Solution" is heavily discounted on ebay for over 30% off by the very manufacturer but under a different store name (type4store). They claim it is an "open box" or a "return" but I know someone who got a new sealed kit and got a deal on the tool rental from LN with no expensive prequalification, etc. Or, are they really selling "returns" that might be of a lessor quality. There are other ebay vendors selling at a discount too. Regardless, I wouldn't feel great about ever paying full price for "The Solution". Kinda sucks that vendors do this, but they do.
As far as the pricing, we try to price match as best we can the other eBay sellers that are reselling our kits to give people the option of saving a few dollars on a kit if they are ok with a blem and still be able to buy them from the source. However, we do not offer free tool rental with kits sold through eBay - that is reserved for customers purchasing through LN's retail site. We started doing this only after several people called with bad experiences with other eBay sellers selling damaged or previously sold (and even fitted) parts.
#548
Just became the new owner of a 996.1! Excited and loving every corner so far! I've read just about everything on the 996 good and bad and have come to a good opinion that this 911 is the sweet spot.
I know just about all the history of this vehicle, but this last line you spoke of with the replacement engine being different, can you elaborate at all on this? It's been quite sometime now since you stated this and was wonder if more is known? My 996.1 had an warranty OEM engine replacement from Porsche, so I am curious as what could be different about it.
Happy to be here and excited to possible see any of you at meets!
Last edited by Nyimetaay; 04-13-2021 at 12:41 AM.
#549
Rennlist Member
Hello,
Just became the new owner of a 996.1! Excited and loving every corner so far! I've read just about everything on the 996 good and bad and have come to a good opinion that this 911 is the sweet spot.
I know just about all the history of this vehicle, but this last line you spoke of with the replacement engine being different, can you elaborate at all on this? It's been quite sometime now since you stated this and was wonder if more is known? My 996.1 had an warranty OEM engine replacement from Porsche, so I am curious as what could be different about it.
Happy to be here and excited to possible see any of you at meets!
Just became the new owner of a 996.1! Excited and loving every corner so far! I've read just about everything on the 996 good and bad and have come to a good opinion that this 911 is the sweet spot.
I know just about all the history of this vehicle, but this last line you spoke of with the replacement engine being different, can you elaborate at all on this? It's been quite sometime now since you stated this and was wonder if more is known? My 996.1 had an warranty OEM engine replacement from Porsche, so I am curious as what could be different about it.
Happy to be here and excited to possible see any of you at meets!
#550
#551
Nordschleife Master
My 02 had a replacement engine in 2013 by Porsche with only 17k mikes on it. I bought it last year from second owner with 43k. For piece of mind I had the IMS checked, RMS replaced and clutch checked. My replacement engine was an 05 with captured Ims but all current Porsche upgrades. My Indy said no reported failures on my bearing and drive it! I will monitor oil and replace it more often.
#552
#553
Rennlist Member
They knew they had a problem and changing the case casting wouldn't have been feasible, but redesigning the IMS was easily done. The larger 6305 non-serviceable bearing increased load capacity to match the original dual row bearing but had the added benefit of increasing surface speed for the ***** during operation. The increased surface speed reduces the lubrication requirements and also extends the life of the bearing.
#554
Nordschleife Master
Porsche updated the intermediate shaft with the mk2 996 3.6L VarioCam engine. Along with that came the dreaded 6204 small single-row bearing which was the most failure-prone and was phased out in '05. Then, starting with the 2006 model 997, Porsche introduced another updated shaft with the most robust bearing - the 6305 large single row. From what we know, Porsche recognized the 6204 couldn't handle the load within this application and replaced it with the 6305 bearing.
Therefore, I'm assuming you mean the 6305 bearing because it can not be extracted like the original dual row nor the 6204 single row. Correct?