PPI when buying from a Porsche Dealer?
#31
Race Director
I've been trying to arrange an indie PPI on a CPO'ed Porsche at a dealership, but they are telling me that they never deliver cars to indie shops or allow such shops take the cars offsite to perform the PPI. Is there any consistency in Porsche dealer policies on this? Or is this a car I should walk from?
Did you ask the dealer why it is not allowing an indy PPI?
As I pointed out in another thread there is some risk to the car the dealer may not want to well risk. The car can get bent or somehow damaged during the PPI. The dealer loses a sale as you'll walk away. It has to go to the expense of putting the car right and then the car has a story which can work to lower its market value.
I bought only one used Porsche, an 03 Turbo. It was a CPO car. I checked the car out quite thoroughly after hours -- to avoid giving the dealer a clue how interested I was in the car -- and then after a test ride/drive I bought the car. I had the CPO paperwork and DME printout. The car was stated to be in pristine condition and my checking of the car found no disagreement with the CPO inspection.
However, I'm quite comfortable with my ability to inspect a used car at least for myself so I never broached the idea of an indy PPI with the dealer regarding this car.
You have to decide what you need to make the deal work for you. If you need an indy PPI and the dealer won't allow for it and you can't work out some suitable compromise -- perhaps offering to pay an hour's labor to have some tech run the car over to the indy shop and observe the process? -- then you should walk away from the car.
#32
A middle road here?
I think there may be a middle road in re. dealer pre-sales inspection vs. bona fide PPI by a third party.
Locate a current/experienced 996 owner through the local PCA region, preferably an owner who is familar with the dealer service dept. personnel. Arrange (entice with an offer of dinner+drinks, if necessary) for the PCA member to accompany you to the dealer for another thorough inspection in which the dealer's tech points out any maintenance needs likely in the months to come.
FWIW, my local P-car dealer is always willing to accomodate prospective customers with an "up on the lift" inspection by a service tech, and welcomes local PCA members to participate. The only rule is an appointment must be scheduled.
I'm not suggesting such an approach is an adequate replacement for an in-depth PPI, I'm just suggesting an alternative if a third party PPI cannot be arranged. My local PCA region members are always available to assist, especially if the prospect expresses an interest in joining PCA.
relinuca
PCA Ohio Valley region
Locate a current/experienced 996 owner through the local PCA region, preferably an owner who is familar with the dealer service dept. personnel. Arrange (entice with an offer of dinner+drinks, if necessary) for the PCA member to accompany you to the dealer for another thorough inspection in which the dealer's tech points out any maintenance needs likely in the months to come.
FWIW, my local P-car dealer is always willing to accomodate prospective customers with an "up on the lift" inspection by a service tech, and welcomes local PCA members to participate. The only rule is an appointment must be scheduled.
I'm not suggesting such an approach is an adequate replacement for an in-depth PPI, I'm just suggesting an alternative if a third party PPI cannot be arranged. My local PCA region members are always available to assist, especially if the prospect expresses an interest in joining PCA.
relinuca
PCA Ohio Valley region
#33
another option might be to see if Indy mechanic can go to dealership and view the car there... no reason why dealership wouldn't be accommodating for this, and putting it up on the rack for them.
#34
Hey folks,
Rennology Motor Sport in IL did the PPI. The car checked out. Then checked codes - nothing came up, nothing was recently cleared. Brakes are 7mm and wearing evenly, tires are 9/32 and wearing evenly. One issue: It only has one key. That's it. Everything else checked out fine. the oil was changed in Feb along with a maintenance inspection. As the car is at 28k miles, I have a while until the 40k service.
So in the end, I would have been totally fine without one, but what I did purchase was peace of mind - which is worth it. Thanks for all your help.
See pic. Also attached (because I don't know how to just paste the pic in here)
https://goo.gl/photos/UY5J5Cgmc9k9qgp47
Rennology Motor Sport in IL did the PPI. The car checked out. Then checked codes - nothing came up, nothing was recently cleared. Brakes are 7mm and wearing evenly, tires are 9/32 and wearing evenly. One issue: It only has one key. That's it. Everything else checked out fine. the oil was changed in Feb along with a maintenance inspection. As the car is at 28k miles, I have a while until the 40k service.
So in the end, I would have been totally fine without one, but what I did purchase was peace of mind - which is worth it. Thanks for all your help.
See pic. Also attached (because I don't know how to just paste the pic in here)
https://goo.gl/photos/UY5J5Cgmc9k9qgp47
#36
#38
Rennlist Member
That's a nice looking Ferrari, though, I can tell you that.
Oh, and is this a pre-"punked" shot where your daughter is about to have a big black box full of something dump on her head when she walks out the door?
Oh, and is this a pre-"punked" shot where your daughter is about to have a big black box full of something dump on her head when she walks out the door?
#39
Really easy. Everything is negotiable. In the sales contract add a clause that says you will put up a down payment of x percent of the purchase price and you have x number of days to do a ppi and that during that time you have the absolute right to get out of the purchase.
Just like as-is real estate contracts that have an inspection period where you can get out for any ir no reason.
Just like as-is real estate contracts that have an inspection period where you can get out for any ir no reason.