996s ..will they ever sky rocket?
10-10-2014, 06:54 AM
#46
I am not an expert on engine design, but according to LN Engineering, an IMS has been used in the 911 since 1965.
http://imsretrofit.com/ims-101/
The IMS failure subject has been well tracked on rennlist and there has not been a single incident of a non 1999 996 to mid year 2005 997 IMS failure reported that has been substantiated. There have been a few posted, but as soon as one has been reported, they have immediately been questioned on the board. I don't recall ever seeing one where the poster came back to even reply to the request for substantiation. Here are 34 pages of thread to skim.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...lure-mode.html
I don't know the percentage of porsche owners that post to the forums, but I guess most who would have experienced an IMS failure, would search the Internet for answers and if they are not currently aware of the forums, theh wojld then stumble onto the forums, making the percentage of 911 users that experience failure and post mjch higher than those who dknt have IMS failures. The failure rate in the 1999 to mid year 2005 has been estimated at less than 1%, but as it is catastrophic, I would still change out the IMS bearing with the upgrade kit.
Has there been any reported examples of a IMS failure in a turbo? My understanding was that it was not an issue in the Mezger based turbo engines.
10-10-2014, 11:44 AM
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But they do still have value after IMS failure.
10-10-2014, 12:06 PM
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oh thats right...
10-10-2014, 12:38 PM
#50
I had it done when I had my clutch replaced. Was not a big deal at all. Car had 50,000 miles and this is what it looked like. Nothing horrid and an easy fix. Having had both a 997 4S and a 993 TT, I think they are both excellent cars. I hope to buy a 997.1 TT manual or a 997 GT2 at some point. They are truly magnificent cars. If air cooled is your thing that's great, it doesn't mean the water cooled cars are not amazing.
10-10-2014, 01:03 PM
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of course its no big deal when the tranny has to come out because the clutch is due.
When you have to do it when the clutch is fine because its pouring out oil, its a bit less enjoyable.
When you have to do it when the clutch is fine because its pouring out oil, its a bit less enjoyable.
10-10-2014, 01:06 PM
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10-10-2014, 01:10 PM
#53
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no. It was the experience of a vast number of 996 and 997 owners with mezger motors. Do a search on the 997 Gt3 forum about cars that had trannies pulled 2 or 3 times within the first 10k miles.
10-10-2014, 04:41 PM
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Not sure about 996, but I'm hanging on to my air cooled John Deere riding mower. Once they go water-cooled, the air cooled model will be an instant classic.
10-10-2014, 06:46 PM
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Most of them had the wrong idea though, why even bother shooting the driver's door, it's like using tissue paper as a punching bag.
That one guy who put a round into the rear center cap was on to something...I'd love to get some old tungsten core .30-06 rounds and pull the bullets to load for my Ishapore and see how far I can shoot them into the wheel hub.
Oh wait...which forum section are we in?
10-10-2014, 06:50 PM
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If you watch the video carefully, you will note that the bullets just bounce harmlessly off of the bumper covers. That's because they were made from the same material as used in the 996 TT, and EVERYONE knows that the 996 TT is bulletproof.
10-10-2014, 09:06 PM
#57
Don't pick it up till next week. Would like to have kept the 993 in addition to the 996TT but I don't have that kind of bank roll or space. My 993 was my spare change. Was happy that I sold the 993 for what I paid for it 10 years ago (of course, not including the mods). Don't expect the 996TT to go up in value or be the same 10 years from now but that's not why I bought it. I plan to use it as more of a daily driver than I did 993.
10-10-2014, 10:29 PM
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10-11-2014, 11:04 AM
#59
While I'm not a big 996 fan, I think they will gain in popularity once the prices for the other years get even more out of control. A decent 964 is pushing $30k now, what happens to the enthusiasts and pcar lovers that want a 911 in the $15-20k range? The 996 may have issues but now their well documented and the fixes are well known.
I agree that regular 996s won't sky rocket, but I don't think we'll all have 996 beater cars in the next 10 years because they're so cheap.
I agree that regular 996s won't sky rocket, but I don't think we'll all have 996 beater cars in the next 10 years because they're so cheap.
10-11-2014, 11:38 AM
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Remember when slant noses were all the rage? Perspectives change. It's possible that the 966 may be viewed as a big step forward for the 911 at some point. (I can hear the air cooled screaming). What will likely hurt them (other than the cosmetic issues - mine is the dashboard heating and stereo unit) is the number of cars that were sold. There will be a point over the next 20 years where through neglect the numbers go down and some form of rarity might exist. What's helped the 993's is that sales were down because potential buyers were waiting for the next generation of the 911 and didn't want to get the refreshed and rehashed 993. Ironic isn't it?