IMS Question
06-18-2015, 03:43 AM
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I've been a member of this forum only since last year and I can attest that everyone here is genuinely interested to help. Yes they do crack jokes quite a bit but in general they are helpful. Yes the IMS question has been answered and debated hundreds of times but still you got a reply to your question which does prove there is a genuine interest to help. And based on your original post you have some informed speculation that you may be in the clear but the reality is that there is really no such thing. Anything can happen any time. I think having read your initial well-informed question, the question reply to your question was intended to find out if something had happened rendering the need to suddenly ask what you asked. Don't take it personally. People here are generally very nice and I don't know any of them.
06-18-2015, 07:51 AM
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I m replacing my IMSB with the 'solution', so there won't be any bearings at all. I did that as the mechanic said there were some magnetic specs on the filter. But he thinks we are replacing a fine stock IMSB with no problems whatsoever. However, as there a few specs he said he'll strongly advice to have it changed.
He has a stellar record. He's been in business from the air cooled days and in the 15 plus years he's had hundreds if not thousands of water cooled Porsche's with potential IMSB problems serviced in his shop. He has zero failures. ZERO FAILURES.
Zero failures not just for the ones with IMSB replacement, but those that are still on stock IMSB.... How about that for a track record lol!
People here are touting about 100% success rate after IMSB retrofit, he can tout about 100% success rate even without changing the IMSB. Think about this for a minute.....this clearly shows many foregone conclusions regarding IMSB and retrofits are just theories.
He only knows of one, potentialy a second in the area that blew up.
However, from what I hear Porsche apparently owned up to 8% failure for certain manufacturing years. No part will ever be guaranteed not to fail, not just the IMSB. But 8% is high. However if I were you and there's absolutely no metal flakes, then don't worry about it. But remember these are extremely tiny specs, and there could just be a few in the whole filter. A magnetic drain plug may help also.
I don't know what's it's all about, but read into LN engineering's IMSB guardian.
My solution retrofit with clutch replacement and a major service will come up to a little over $5k. I hear a wicked 4L motor with a bunch of sweet gt3 goodies can be installed around $25k ( not too sure). So ignoring the clutch (which I really shouldn't! but then again I'm comparing it to a munch better engine replacement), I'm spending 20% of the cost to prevent something.
P.S: Don't think about shipping your car to him for oil changes believing you car will never fail(after all, he has a 100% track record), it's the difference between anecdotal evidence and proof (or verifiable with in a pre-deteremined standard deviation). When none exist, don't let fear and paranoia dictate your decision (yeah right!), but simple deductive reasoning (good luck with that). It's only you who have to live with yourself and the car.
He has a stellar record. He's been in business from the air cooled days and in the 15 plus years he's had hundreds if not thousands of water cooled Porsche's with potential IMSB problems serviced in his shop. He has zero failures. ZERO FAILURES.
Zero failures not just for the ones with IMSB replacement, but those that are still on stock IMSB.... How about that for a track record lol!
People here are touting about 100% success rate after IMSB retrofit, he can tout about 100% success rate even without changing the IMSB. Think about this for a minute.....this clearly shows many foregone conclusions regarding IMSB and retrofits are just theories.
He only knows of one, potentialy a second in the area that blew up.
However, from what I hear Porsche apparently owned up to 8% failure for certain manufacturing years. No part will ever be guaranteed not to fail, not just the IMSB. But 8% is high. However if I were you and there's absolutely no metal flakes, then don't worry about it. But remember these are extremely tiny specs, and there could just be a few in the whole filter. A magnetic drain plug may help also.
I don't know what's it's all about, but read into LN engineering's IMSB guardian.
My solution retrofit with clutch replacement and a major service will come up to a little over $5k. I hear a wicked 4L motor with a bunch of sweet gt3 goodies can be installed around $25k ( not too sure). So ignoring the clutch (which I really shouldn't! but then again I'm comparing it to a munch better engine replacement), I'm spending 20% of the cost to prevent something.
P.S: Don't think about shipping your car to him for oil changes believing you car will never fail(after all, he has a 100% track record), it's the difference between anecdotal evidence and proof (or verifiable with in a pre-deteremined standard deviation). When none exist, don't let fear and paranoia dictate your decision (yeah right!), but simple deductive reasoning (good luck with that). It's only you who have to live with yourself and the car.
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06-18-2015, 11:37 AM
#33
The question "why, after performing routine maintenance for three years and seeing no indication of bearing failure, have you decided to ask if it's logical to assume your car will not develop an IMSB failure" isn't a snarky or stupid question. Did something change that prompted the question? Has some new information come to light?
There is NOTHING in ANY of the countless IMSB threads that would suggest that your car would somehow be immune to bearing failure. Your 996's original motor places it in the ~10 percent failure rate group; that your motor was replaced means exactly nothing since you don't know any of the specifics about the replacement.
Had Alpine been a ***** when he asked why you were asking now (you know, after three years of NOT asking despite having been an RL member), I'd understand your abrasive reaction, but frankly, you're the one who came off like a jackass. His question may have been curt, but the question is potentially pertinent. What's different today? Why are you asking this question, which has been answered hundreds of times, today? You are seemingly trying to lead yourself to a wholly unsupported conclusion - why would your 996, about which you appear to know exactly s**t - suddenly become impervious to IMSB failure?
It's an Internet forum, not a Pampered Chef party or an "I get butthurt easily" support group. Dial back the ***** setting a little.
Or don't, for all I care. Spend your time crafting another bitchy response that would do any PMS sufferer proud, and be sure to continue to slap quotes around every third word...it makes you look exceptionally clever.
There is NOTHING in ANY of the countless IMSB threads that would suggest that your car would somehow be immune to bearing failure. Your 996's original motor places it in the ~10 percent failure rate group; that your motor was replaced means exactly nothing since you don't know any of the specifics about the replacement.
Had Alpine been a ***** when he asked why you were asking now (you know, after three years of NOT asking despite having been an RL member), I'd understand your abrasive reaction, but frankly, you're the one who came off like a jackass. His question may have been curt, but the question is potentially pertinent. What's different today? Why are you asking this question, which has been answered hundreds of times, today? You are seemingly trying to lead yourself to a wholly unsupported conclusion - why would your 996, about which you appear to know exactly s**t - suddenly become impervious to IMSB failure?
It's an Internet forum, not a Pampered Chef party or an "I get butthurt easily" support group. Dial back the ***** setting a little.
Or don't, for all I care. Spend your time crafting another bitchy response that would do any PMS sufferer proud, and be sure to continue to slap quotes around every third word...it makes you look exceptionally clever.
My question was genuine this time around. I know with some of my sarcastic posts it can be hard to tell so I won't ding you in any way.
I saw that you had been a member for awhile so I knew you were aware and did quite a bit of reading before you asked the question. But I also was puzzled why you didn't ask it earlier or if something happened after your 3rd oil change to warrant asking the question.
06-18-2015, 11:46 AM
#34
Three Wheelin'
Ok, thanks; that's pretty much what I expected.
I don't think it's worth doing the retrofit unless I'm already doing some serious work on the car. The clutch is just fine, but if I need to replace the clutch (or otherwise mess with the drive train), I may take that opportunity to retrofit the fix.
Yeah, and if it blows it blows (and I'll survive)....
I don't think it's worth doing the retrofit unless I'm already doing some serious work on the car. The clutch is just fine, but if I need to replace the clutch (or otherwise mess with the drive train), I may take that opportunity to retrofit the fix.
Yeah, and if it blows it blows (and I'll survive)....
I'll second that.
06-18-2015, 11:53 AM
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This.
My question was genuine this time around. I know with some of my sarcastic posts it can be hard to tell so I won't ding you in any way.
I saw that you had been a member for awhile so I knew you were aware and did quite a bit of reading before you asked the question. But I also was puzzled why you didn't ask it earlier or if something happened after your 3rd oil change to warrant asking the question.
My question was genuine this time around. I know with some of my sarcastic posts it can be hard to tell so I won't ding you in any way.
I saw that you had been a member for awhile so I knew you were aware and did quite a bit of reading before you asked the question. But I also was puzzled why you didn't ask it earlier or if something happened after your 3rd oil change to warrant asking the question.
Nothing in particular happened with the third oil change yesterday; it was just that the filter again was absolutely clean, so I thought I'd ask my question.
I'll not do anything until some major surgery is required in that area; if that happens (e.g., new clutch), I'll probably go ahead and do the retrofit.
06-18-2015, 12:14 PM
#38
At least you are checking your filter and doing your due diligence. Keep up the good maintenance and drive it like you stole it.
06-18-2015, 03:11 PM
#42
Without boobies, this thread is useless.
06-18-2015, 04:13 PM
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06-18-2015, 04:18 PM
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(You know, when the mind is willing but the flesh is weak.)
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