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Old 11-05-2007, 08:56 PM
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The GT3 has steel synchros for durability I assume. 911's other than the GT2/3have softer bronze alloy synchros because they shift smoother or are quieter I assume. Does a GT3 shift more notchy and are my assumptions correct?

I can't tell the differance between the two transaxles in actual driving and I wonder why they don't just put steel synchros in all of them if they are more durable?

As an aside, the aftermarket needle bearing linkage ends make a huge differance in the way the box feels.
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Originally Posted by Boulder GT3
The GT3 has steel synchros for durability I assume. 911's other than the GT2/3have softer bronze alloy synchros because they shift smoother or are quieter I assume. Does a GT3 shift more notchy and are my assumptions correct?

I can't tell the differance between the two transaxles in actual driving and I wonder why they don't just put steel synchros in all of them if they are more durable?

As an aside, the aftermarket needle bearing linkage ends make a huge differance in the way the box feels.
To be honest, I don't feel much of a difference between my GT2 with stock shifter kit and 996TT with the short shifter! BUT that can say something, GT2 stock feels like 996tt with short shifter, so that would mean yes its notchy/direct stock ...
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GT3 tranny is "notchy" but precise. On the blip double clutch, the compression of engine and tranny from the blip work so beautifully together that the tranny slides into the lower gear with precision and finality. It's very positive, much more than the Carrera tranny. I love the GT3 tranny. But it can be notchy in upshifts too, which is a bit wierd.
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The steel synchros are only on the 3-6

1/2 both have brass only.
Old 11-06-2007, 06:59 PM
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And on the Mk1 GT3 (which of course you didn't get in the US), none of the 6 gears had steel synchros.....common upgrade to the Mk1 'boxs when rebuild time though.
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Originally Posted by Moogle
The steel synchros are only on the 3-6

1/2 both have brass only.
Any thoughts on why not to put steel in the other 911's?
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IIRC, the 997 has all steel now.
Old 11-07-2007, 01:56 PM
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I'd appreciate an education on this subject.

What's good/bad about steel/brass, why do we have steel on some gears but not others, etc?

Comments, anyone?
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Default Brass is softer than Steel

Brass is softer than Steel. So my guess is that the brass synchros will feel a little smoother/softer/less notchy - at but the expense of wear. Porsche says that the standard 6 speed 997 transmissions are now more durable because they switched from brass to steel synchros.
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Also: on the 997 GT3 there are now carbon coatings on the first 3 synchros in addition to having all steel synchros.
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The 997 Carreras use a new box from the Japanese company Aisin. Does anyone know if this is also true for the 997 GT3s, or do they still use the Getrag unit?



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