Moton Clubsport vs. Ohlins Road and Track?
01-19-2013, 09:30 AM
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Any info on where to get this done? I'm considering having my OEM coils revalved/sprung.
Mike
Mike
Another less expensive option could give similar benefits without the complexity and high cost. The idea of re-value stocks and new springs. This gives a better ride on the track and on the street and is less than 1/2 the cost. Not as flexible as the options outlined here, but you will get a lot of the same benefits. I did this to my car and it is much better on the track. Many folks do this upgrade and all are very happy. The best thing is to get to know the car before doing an upgrade like this.
01-19-2013, 11:18 AM
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Revalve of OEM
The original equipment on the 996 GT-3 is made by Bilstein they have a US facility in California.You take em off ship the shocks to Bilstein and ask them to revalve (and they rebuild them as well!) for whatever spring rate you are going to use .I did this in 09 to my 3 and it worked wonderfully till I decided to install the Motion Control Doubles.I would be sure to get the springs exactly right ,the first fronts I had were to long and raised the ride height unacceptedably .At the time I did the revalve/rebuild Bilstein charged 75 bucks per shock.You might search thru Rennlist as I remember some shop was doing the deal turnkey and somehow eliminating the wait time on the Bilstein piece of it.
01-19-2013, 11:57 AM
#33
This...
Is what I was hoping to hear. I had a set of PSS9s on my 996TT that were worked over by Bilstein so they wouldn't bottom out when setup to GT2/3 ride heights. The issue was turn around.
I'd like to find the name of the vendor who does exchanges... Looked a few weeks back and couldn't find it when I searched.
Mike
I'd like to find the name of the vendor who does exchanges... Looked a few weeks back and couldn't find it when I searched.
Mike
01-19-2013, 02:24 PM
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since you are in SF.
go www.tcdesignfab.com
email tony, he sells MCS (aka moton) and he will advise you and install with proper set up/spring etc. unless you can drive faster than he does (not many can), just let him do the thinking and be done with it. too much thinking and 2nd guessing only hurts your own brain. just have him do it.
go www.tcdesignfab.com
email tony, he sells MCS (aka moton) and he will advise you and install with proper set up/spring etc. unless you can drive faster than he does (not many can), just let him do the thinking and be done with it. too much thinking and 2nd guessing only hurts your own brain. just have him do it.
01-19-2013, 02:34 PM
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There's more to a good handling car for street/track than just shocks. Springs, as several have mentioned, are more important and not just the spring rates. Helpers, spring lengths all contribute to the results depending on what you're trying to accomplish. You can soften up the shock setting and sway bar settings for a more comfortable street ride if (big if) you're not running really stiff springs. Even with the street cars weighing inround 3200 lbs. I wouldn't go stiiffer than 500f, 800r(if you have a cup wing) for a street/track application....
PS: You can pay Bilstein to expedite....
PS: You can pay Bilstein to expedite....
01-19-2013, 02:42 PM
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Would it be correct to conclude from what you said that:
softer springs than OEM => more comfort less performance
harsher springs than OEM => less comfort more performance
and that, therefore, there is no way to achieve my original goal of:
more comfort, more performance
no matter what kit I would go with
Thanks very much!
softer springs than OEM => more comfort less performance
harsher springs than OEM => less comfort more performance
and that, therefore, there is no way to achieve my original goal of:
more comfort, more performance
no matter what kit I would go with
Thanks very much!
speed read this thread and basically (in reply to your question) NO, you cant really do both with just changing damper stiffness, no matter how much you throw at it.
01-19-2013, 03:28 PM
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Stock spring rates?higher spring rates:larger sways ?
Does anyone know what the stock spring rates where from Porsche on the 996 GT-3 ?I have heard stuff all over the map thought it would be a good data point AND does it make sense from a track handling perspective to add larger(stiffer)sways if you increase spring rates significantly?
01-20-2013, 12:22 PM
#39
Burning Brakes
FRONT:
996.1 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 91
SPRING RATE: 35N/mm
996.2 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 95
SPRING RATE: 40N/mm
996.2 GT3 RS
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 97
SPRING RATE: 45N/mM
997.1 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 95
SPRING RATE: 40N/mm
997.2 GT3
PART NUMBER: 997 343 531 94
SPRING RATE: 49N/mm
REAR:
996.1 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 333 531 91
SPRING RATE: 65N/mm
996.2 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 333 531 95
SPRING RATE: 95N/mm
996.2 GT3 RS
PART NUMBER: 996 333 531 95
SPRING RATE: 95N/mm
996.1 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 91
SPRING RATE: 35N/mm
996.2 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 95
SPRING RATE: 40N/mm
996.2 GT3 RS
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 97
SPRING RATE: 45N/mM
997.1 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 343 531 95
SPRING RATE: 40N/mm
997.2 GT3
PART NUMBER: 997 343 531 94
SPRING RATE: 49N/mm
REAR:
996.1 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 333 531 91
SPRING RATE: 65N/mm
996.2 GT3
PART NUMBER: 996 333 531 95
SPRING RATE: 95N/mm
996.2 GT3 RS
PART NUMBER: 996 333 531 95
SPRING RATE: 95N/mm
01-20-2013, 12:38 PM
#40
Burning Brakes
Atgani - Who supplied and set these up for you (if you don't mind me asking)? As I am very interested in a set.
I am looking to upgrade my suspension (6RS). I was originally planning on just getting the standard shocks refurbed (still might), I have no reason to think anything wrong with them, as car has had an easy life, but I just want it to be perfect.
Started thinking if i am going to spend the money might as put it towards upgrading the suspension. Intention being to improve compliance/ride for street driving, whilst having the ability to adjust/stiffen up for occasional track use.
Currently looking at JRZ-RS Pro, Moton Clubsport, MCS 2way Customs and trying to figure out the Ohlins options as well.
I'm based in the UK, but go to the US a lot on business (mostly Houston area), so as these parts tend to be cheaper in the US, any recommendations for dealers that I could spk to in TX or US dealers that could deliver to my office/hotel much appreciated. Obviously looking for a dealer that would be able to customise valving/spring rates to suit my application.
Thanks
I am looking to upgrade my suspension (6RS). I was originally planning on just getting the standard shocks refurbed (still might), I have no reason to think anything wrong with them, as car has had an easy life, but I just want it to be perfect.
Started thinking if i am going to spend the money might as put it towards upgrading the suspension. Intention being to improve compliance/ride for street driving, whilst having the ability to adjust/stiffen up for occasional track use.
Currently looking at JRZ-RS Pro, Moton Clubsport, MCS 2way Customs and trying to figure out the Ohlins options as well.
I'm based in the UK, but go to the US a lot on business (mostly Houston area), so as these parts tend to be cheaper in the US, any recommendations for dealers that I could spk to in TX or US dealers that could deliver to my office/hotel much appreciated. Obviously looking for a dealer that would be able to customise valving/spring rates to suit my application.
Thanks
BG Motorsport Ltd
47-48 Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone
Northants NN12 8TN
Tel: +44 (0) 1327 855200
Fax: +44 (0) 1327 855201
E-mail: dampers@bgmotorsports.co.uk
www.bgmotorsport.co.uk
Their damper guy is not particularly custoomer friendly, so hand on heart, I'd struggle to recommend him. however there are two other UK Ohlins distributors in the UK. I've spoken to Mick Gardner racing and found them to be helpful :
Mick Gardner Racing
Unit 6, Harborough Hill Road
Barnsley, South Yorkshire S17 1BQ
Tel: +44 (0)1226 240099
Fax: +44 (0)1226 249900
E-mail: russwalton@mickgardnerracing.com
www.mickgardnerracing.com
No experience with Aurok :
Aurok Ltd.
Hermitage Farm, Colemore
Alton, Hampshire, GU34 3PU
Tel: +44 (0) 14 2058 8191
Fax: +44 (0) 14 2058 8190
E-mail: info@aurok.com
www.aurok.com
The three way adjustable dampers on my car are 12 years old now (though they were totally rebuilt and re-engineered using all Ohlins parts eighteen months ago) Without wishing to make outrageous claims, they're probably top of the pile even when compared against Motons (started by ex-Ohlins guys) JRZ etc. The damper setup on my car has been superceeded by the TTX range now :
http://performanceshock.com/index.ph...roducts_id=235
However there are cheaper Ohlins products available too :
http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/...96_GT3_set.pdf
I looked at the spring rates on the R &T and thought they were too high for road use only.
As others have said, choice of spring rates and finding someone who knows how to setup and adjust the dampers properly, is key.
I'm not sure if the TTX setup is available for the roadgoing 996 GT3, if it is, it'll be expensive (circa £7K) but will be incredible if the old set up on my car is anything to go by.
01-21-2013, 01:30 AM
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They're ex- GT3 RS race car (not the road car version) modified for road use on my Mk1 996 GT3 by :
BG Motorsport Ltd
47-48 Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone
Northants NN12 8TN
Tel: +44 (0) 1327 855200
Fax: +44 (0) 1327 855201
E-mail: dampers@bgmotorsports.co.uk
www.bgmotorsport.co.uk
Their damper guy is not particularly custoomer friendly, so hand on heart, I'd struggle to recommend him. however there are two other UK Ohlins distributors in the UK. I've spoken to Mick Gardner racing and found them to be helpful :
Mick Gardner Racing
Unit 6, Harborough Hill Road
Barnsley, South Yorkshire S17 1BQ
Tel: +44 (0)1226 240099
Fax: +44 (0)1226 249900
E-mail: russwalton@mickgardnerracing.com
www.mickgardnerracing.com
No experience with Aurok :
Aurok Ltd.
Hermitage Farm, Colemore
Alton, Hampshire, GU34 3PU
Tel: +44 (0) 14 2058 8191
Fax: +44 (0) 14 2058 8190
E-mail: info@aurok.com
www.aurok.com
The three way adjustable dampers on my car are 12 years old now (though they were totally rebuilt and re-engineered using all Ohlins parts eighteen months ago) Without wishing to make outrageous claims, they're probably top of the pile even when compared against Motons (started by ex-Ohlins guys) JRZ etc. The damper setup on my car has been superceeded by the TTX range now :
http://performanceshock.com/index.ph...roducts_id=235
However there are cheaper Ohlins products available too :
http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/...96_GT3_set.pdf
I looked at the spring rates on the R &T and thought they were too high for road use only.
As others have said, choice of spring rates and finding someone who knows how to setup and adjust the dampers properly, is key.
I'm not sure if the TTX setup is available for the roadgoing 996 GT3, if it is, it'll be expensive (circa £7K) but will be incredible if the old set up on my car is anything to go by.
BG Motorsport Ltd
47-48 Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone
Northants NN12 8TN
Tel: +44 (0) 1327 855200
Fax: +44 (0) 1327 855201
E-mail: dampers@bgmotorsports.co.uk
www.bgmotorsport.co.uk
Their damper guy is not particularly custoomer friendly, so hand on heart, I'd struggle to recommend him. however there are two other UK Ohlins distributors in the UK. I've spoken to Mick Gardner racing and found them to be helpful :
Mick Gardner Racing
Unit 6, Harborough Hill Road
Barnsley, South Yorkshire S17 1BQ
Tel: +44 (0)1226 240099
Fax: +44 (0)1226 249900
E-mail: russwalton@mickgardnerracing.com
www.mickgardnerracing.com
No experience with Aurok :
Aurok Ltd.
Hermitage Farm, Colemore
Alton, Hampshire, GU34 3PU
Tel: +44 (0) 14 2058 8191
Fax: +44 (0) 14 2058 8190
E-mail: info@aurok.com
www.aurok.com
The three way adjustable dampers on my car are 12 years old now (though they were totally rebuilt and re-engineered using all Ohlins parts eighteen months ago) Without wishing to make outrageous claims, they're probably top of the pile even when compared against Motons (started by ex-Ohlins guys) JRZ etc. The damper setup on my car has been superceeded by the TTX range now :
http://performanceshock.com/index.ph...roducts_id=235
However there are cheaper Ohlins products available too :
http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/...96_GT3_set.pdf
I looked at the spring rates on the R &T and thought they were too high for road use only.
As others have said, choice of spring rates and finding someone who knows how to setup and adjust the dampers properly, is key.
I'm not sure if the TTX setup is available for the roadgoing 996 GT3, if it is, it'll be expensive (circa £7K) but will be incredible if the old set up on my car is anything to go by.
01-21-2013, 02:47 PM
#42
Three Wheelin'
+ 2 Call Dan Jacobs at Hairy Dog Grrrage in Oxford, CT for the re-val / suspension setup.
01-21-2013, 05:12 PM
#43
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Strange, I'm deep into considering this type of 6GT3 upgrade and missed this thread,
this is timely and appreciated. I should pay more attention.
Also, thanks Mooty.
this is timely and appreciated. I should pay more attention.
Also, thanks Mooty.
01-22-2013, 09:25 PM
#45
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See you in May at ICAR
