X50 question
07-09-2019, 02:36 PM
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07-09-2019, 05:03 PM
#17
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Carlo_Carrera (07-09-2019)
07-10-2019, 01:18 AM
#19
Burning Brakes
There is no structural difference between the K16 and K24 turbochargers. Same bearing housings, bearings, thrust washers, backplates, compressor housings, wastegate actuators, heat shield, nuts and bolts. The only thing that is different between the two are>> compressor wheel (larger) turbine wheel diameter larger, and a larger A/R turbine housing.
When you rebuild the K24>>you can use K16 components. For the street you can mix and match parts to me make a K16/24 hybrid. or machine the entire K24 turbine wheel into the small K16 A/R(tighter) turbine housing (nice track combination)..
When you rebuild the K24>>you can use K16 components. For the street you can mix and match parts to me make a K16/24 hybrid. or machine the entire K24 turbine wheel into the small K16 A/R(tighter) turbine housing (nice track combination)..
07-10-2019, 03:13 PM
#20
the x50 does have a small premium attached as it is more HP when the car was stock. Same is true of any Pcar. Turbo vs Turbo S--which is really what the x50 was before 2005.
Of course, when purchasing a 996tt, don't worry about and tuners can make the non-x50 faster and more powerful than the x50.
Of course, when purchasing a 996tt, don't worry about and tuners can make the non-x50 faster and more powerful than the x50.
07-10-2019, 09:29 PM
#21
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the x50 does have a small premium attached as it is more HP when the car was stock. Same is true of any Pcar. Turbo vs Turbo S--which is really what the x50 was before 2005.
Of course, when purchasing a 996tt, don't worry about and tuners can make the non-x50 faster and more powerful than the x50.
Of course, when purchasing a 996tt, don't worry about and tuners can make the non-x50 faster and more powerful than the x50.
i seem to remember that the x50 designation was indeed considered an "S" in EU, pre the 05 MY and i agree that it isn't worth paying "extra" for the k24 oem setup ( even though i got that extra 5$k on payout lol ) but a tweaked x50 car will outpower a tweaked k16 car. it's just the "stock" x50 that has that old school ( wait for it.. ) lag.
07-10-2019, 11:03 PM
#22
Three Wheelin'
for myself not wanting to deviate too far from stock, being an og owner, I have gone down the stock k16, k16 hybrids, k16/k24 finally settling on k24/26 racing turbos with cobb set up, the lag is not an issue once you have a good program and the ecu has apapted. the mid to top end power is so worth the upgrade. the x50 value is worth extra to a collector, how much?
07-10-2019, 11:33 PM
#23
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I think you occasionally get a Porsche collector is used to ponying up huge bucks for long hoods, 993 Turbos, GT cars, etc., so paying $75K plus for a perfect, low mile, highly optioned, and potentially future-collectible 996 Turbo is comparatively cheap... On BAT, there were two such cars bought by the same guy about a week apart. Probably kept whichever one he liked better and blew the other one out.
But that doesn't really benchmark the value... Go try to find a buyer like that if you are selling. I'd say that X-50 adds at most $1.5K on anything other than an otherwise *extremely* desirable 996 Turbo.
But that doesn't really benchmark the value... Go try to find a buyer like that if you are selling. I'd say that X-50 adds at most $1.5K on anything other than an otherwise *extremely* desirable 996 Turbo.
07-11-2019, 09:13 AM
#24
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I would take the X50 over an none. I have much more power and with how I set mine up, I am far faster then the others I drive with and they are tuned as well.
07-11-2019, 02:34 PM
#25
Three Wheelin'
The non X50 can be made as fast as the X50 no problem. But if you do the same mods (ICs, tune, exhaust) to both, i think the X50 will pull away (after the turbos spool up
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07-11-2019, 04:03 PM
#26
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Yes, with a stock tune, an X50 has more power than a non-X50.
Yes, with a stock tune, an X50 has more lag than a non-X50.
Yes, a well tuned non-X50 can easily out-power a stock X-50
Yes, a tuned X-50 can have lots of top-end power, still with lag* And mega-lag if are also running a tiptronic.
Yes, a hybrid or non-oem turbocharger can be better than either of the stock turbo options, power without lag**
* No OTS stage two tune for an X50, so you are looking at a custom tune.
** Definitely will require custom tune.
The point is that any premium charged for an X50 car is likely better spent in other ways. Bolt-on upgrades, custom tune, and if you were going to spend the $ on those anyway, replacement turbos.
Yes, with a stock tune, an X50 has more lag than a non-X50.
Yes, a well tuned non-X50 can easily out-power a stock X-50
Yes, a tuned X-50 can have lots of top-end power, still with lag* And mega-lag if are also running a tiptronic.
Yes, a hybrid or non-oem turbocharger can be better than either of the stock turbo options, power without lag**
* No OTS stage two tune for an X50, so you are looking at a custom tune.
** Definitely will require custom tune.
The point is that any premium charged for an X50 car is likely better spent in other ways. Bolt-on upgrades, custom tune, and if you were going to spend the $ on those anyway, replacement turbos.
07-11-2019, 10:02 PM
#27
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When I was searching for a turbo a few years ago, I owned a 2001 C4 that was pretty ordinary except the optional wheels.
My turbo search lead me to 17K mile X50 aerokit car because I wanted something that wasn't ordinary this time.
I could have paid more for a car with and without either of these options at the time but was happy with what I paid and what I got.
Fast forward to now the car has a tune, IPD intake, and Europipe exhaust and the car runs great.
I get that the original cost of the X50 option in 2003 is eye opening and the same money could reap much better gains, but I think the people that were the original owners needed the latest and greatest at the time and had the money to pay for it.
My turbo search lead me to 17K mile X50 aerokit car because I wanted something that wasn't ordinary this time.
I could have paid more for a car with and without either of these options at the time but was happy with what I paid and what I got.
Fast forward to now the car has a tune, IPD intake, and Europipe exhaust and the car runs great.
I get that the original cost of the X50 option in 2003 is eye opening and the same money could reap much better gains, but I think the people that were the original owners needed the latest and greatest at the time and had the money to pay for it.
07-11-2019, 10:26 PM
#29
no one that bought the x50 in 2002 understood the turbo lag.. or cared.
the platform was NEW and took the k16 hp numbers with the larger k24's to 444. that's all anyone wanted to know.
the platform was NEW and took the k16 hp numbers with the larger k24's to 444. that's all anyone wanted to know.
07-12-2019, 05:55 PM
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