Notices
996 Turbo Forum 1999-2005
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Coolant Welding Quote

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-05-2020, 04:52 PM
  #1  
tom__w
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
tom__w's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Northern New Jersey
Posts: 697
Received 151 Likes on 78 Posts
Default Coolant Welding Quote

I got a quote of $4,900 to weld my pipes and replace all the plastic bits. Was also offered a 'winter price' of $3,900.

Thoughts on a car that I probably never track?
Old 02-05-2020, 05:12 PM
  #2  
kamlung
Rennlist Member
 
kamlung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: North NJ/NYC
Posts: 1,511
Received 286 Likes on 233 Posts
Default

save the money for something else...
Old 02-05-2020, 05:55 PM
  #3  
s65e90
Drifting
 
s65e90's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,320
Received 744 Likes on 518 Posts
Default

Do it. Plan to do all the rubber o-rings and seals while the engine is out along with all the other rubber bits. Coolant fittings failing has nothing to do w/ track use. Plenty have failed just sitting at stop lights. It's good peace of mind that will also be worthwhile to a prospective buyer should you ever wish to sell.
The following users liked this post:
diverzeusy (01-23-2021)
Old 02-05-2020, 06:18 PM
  #4  
Carlo_Carrera
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Carlo_Carrera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Nearby
Posts: 10,772
Received 2,271 Likes on 1,457 Posts
Default

Personally if the car isn't tracked I would not bother welding the pipes, but the decision is really yours. $3,900 is a very good price for that work in the northern NJ area.
Old 02-05-2020, 06:34 PM
  #5  
tom__w
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
tom__w's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Northern New Jersey
Posts: 697
Received 151 Likes on 78 Posts
Default

I was quoted $8k-$9k by another shop. Now THAT was excessive.

This quote also includes using billet aluminum piping (i.e. not re-using the original thin wall pipe).
Old 02-05-2020, 06:45 PM
  #6  
s65e90
Drifting
 
s65e90's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,320
Received 744 Likes on 518 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
Personally if the car isn't tracked I would not bother welding the pipes, but the decision is really yours. $3,900 is a very good price for that work in the northern NJ area.

Misinforming that this only affects track cars.
The following 2 users liked this post by s65e90:
pop.tremuloides (02-07-2020), Rambler_13 (02-06-2020)
Old 02-05-2020, 07:40 PM
  #7  
2fcknfst
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
2fcknfst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 17,733
Likes: 0
Received 3,873 Likes on 2,949 Posts
Default

As we have all discussed in the past, 'age' and epoxy 'degradation' is now going to become the primary factor in coolant tube failures, not track use.

This will become more and more prominent in the coming years, we are already seeing evidence of this.

So, if you have the means, get it fixed now, save yourself the headaches later.
The following 3 users liked this post by 2fcknfst:
Capt. Obvious (02-05-2020), pop.tremuloides (02-07-2020), Rambler_13 (02-06-2020)
Old 02-05-2020, 07:45 PM
  #8  
Giovanni
Race Car
 
Giovanni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Alabama
Posts: 4,269
Received 25 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

New owner here... lol. It is possible, "almost" impossible or totally impossible to remove the coolant housing without dropping the engine/transmission? I am pretty handy and have been thinking of just removing the housing and take it to a nearby aluminum welding shop to get the job done.
Old 02-05-2020, 07:46 PM
  #9  
2fcknfst
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
2fcknfst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 17,733
Likes: 0
Received 3,873 Likes on 2,949 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Giovanni
New owner here... lol. It is possible, "almost" impossible or totally impossible to remove the coolant housing without dropping the engine/transmission? I am pretty handy and have been thinking of just removing the housing and take it to a nearby aluminum welding shop to get the job done.
Someone has done it - I saw a thread on it awhile back - however, I (for one) would never blindly drill in a congested engine compartment, 'hoping' everything will turn out 'ok'...
The following users liked this post:
diverzeusy (01-23-2021)
Old 02-05-2020, 07:52 PM
  #10  
Third-Reef
Three Wheelin'
 
Third-Reef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nevada City, Ca
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
Received 160 Likes on 114 Posts
Default

You can pin 6 of 8 in about 4 hours with the engine in. the last 2 under the oil cooler add another several hours. If they have not moved in the their position, IE started backing out or showing any signs of leaking, pinning is 100% OK (flame suit on). Sharkwerks recommends pinning and they are not the types to take short cuts. I bet that $3,900 could be half if they pinned the fittings instead of welding.
The following users liked this post:
mbgt72 (02-05-2020)
Old 02-05-2020, 07:55 PM
  #11  
2fcknfst
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
2fcknfst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 17,733
Likes: 0
Received 3,873 Likes on 2,949 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Third-Reef
You can pin 6 of 8 in about 4 hours with the engine in. the last 2 under the oil cooler add another several hours. If they have not moved in the their position, IE started backing out or showing any signs of leaking, pinning is 100% OK (flame suit on). Sharkwerks recommends pinning and they are not the types to take short cuts. I bet that $3,900 could be half if they pinned the fittings instead of welding.
+1 ... I always get worried about welding two different metals, one of which is cast. You have to be steady, and good so as not to melt everything.
Old 02-05-2020, 08:23 PM
  #12  
Giovanni
Race Car
 
Giovanni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Alabama
Posts: 4,269
Received 25 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

I can live with pin and epoxy them in place but I would need to remove the housing. But if I remove the housing I may as well get it welded in and pressure test for leaks. Once it's out everything is easy peasy. I am not a paranoid dude but I would not drill and run the risk of pieces of aluminum flowing through the coolant circuit and increase the chance of premature damage. So can the housing be take off with the engine in place?
Old 02-05-2020, 08:34 PM
  #13  
s65e90
Drifting
 
s65e90's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,320
Received 744 Likes on 518 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Third-Reef
You can pin 6 of 8 in about 4 hours with the engine in. the last 2 under the oil cooler add another several hours. If they have not moved in the their position, IE started backing out or showing any signs of leaking, pinning is 100% OK (flame suit on). Sharkwerks recommends pinning and they are not the types to take short cuts. I bet that $3,900 could be half if they pinned the fittings instead of welding.

Pinning won't stop leaking, only prevents a catastrophic blow out. Welding > pinning.
Old 02-05-2020, 08:46 PM
  #14  
Third-Reef
Three Wheelin'
 
Third-Reef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nevada City, Ca
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
Received 160 Likes on 114 Posts
Default

Correct pinning will not stop leaking, but if it is not leaking it will stop it from starting to leak with about 99.9% certainty. You do not have to remove the housings to pin them.
The following users liked this post:
mbgt72 (02-05-2020)
Old 02-05-2020, 08:49 PM
  #15  
911mhawk
Rennlist Member
 
911mhawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,811
Received 179 Likes on 125 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tom__w
I got a quote of $4,900 to weld my pipes and replace all the plastic bits. Was also offered a 'winter price' of $3,900.

Thoughts on a car that I probably never track?
Verify who's welding, and what "all" means.
Not sure about your hood, but the shops I know around here are too busy to cut deals and have overhead.

If all checks out, and they're being nice on cost, do all the "while it's out" stuff you can afford to update if you plan to keep it long term.
Or, wait till one pops/you need a clutch.



Quick Reply: Coolant Welding Quote



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 03:45 PM.