What mods ,if any ,pay back much on resale?
10-05-2020, 12:38 PM
#1
Racer
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What mods ,if any ,pay back much on resale?
Long time 911 owner recently purchased a 2003 996 turbo.. one owner,(bank vp) dealer serviced 50k miles. Absolutely stock 6 speed.
I've never been able to resist modifying most of my cars. Which mods if any will pay back the most on eventual resale. I expect a clutch in the future because of miles and will likely use a 764 pressure plate but stay with dual mass ff.. A new clutch is usually a good selling feature, lwfw not so much.I was going to drop the engine and pin the lines while in there.
I am a retired tech so labor isn't the issue.
I'm considering a suspension refresh ,will pss10 coilovers return anything or lower the cars value?
or just try to keep it dead stock?
I've never been able to resist modifying most of my cars. Which mods if any will pay back the most on eventual resale. I expect a clutch in the future because of miles and will likely use a 764 pressure plate but stay with dual mass ff.. A new clutch is usually a good selling feature, lwfw not so much.I was going to drop the engine and pin the lines while in there.
I am a retired tech so labor isn't the issue.
I'm considering a suspension refresh ,will pss10 coilovers return anything or lower the cars value?
or just try to keep it dead stock?
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10-05-2020, 01:12 PM
#3
Racer
Thread Starter
I bought it to own and drive it, but with an eye to eventual resale.I've already changed the motor mounts to 993 rs style. Probably will do 350 mm brake rotors when needed and 764 clutch with pinned lines. All these mods are relatively the same cost as stock replacement .
10-05-2020, 01:27 PM
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As I'm sure you are aware, mods rarely increase the value of a car. However, there are a handful of mods to these cars that are usually considered desirable and may make the car more attractive to a decently large segment of buyers.
- Suspension
- Exhaust
- Tune
Like anything else, the appeal of these mods are subjective (maybe the suspension is too low for some people, the exhaust is too loud, etc.).
The best "mod" for resale (and driving enjoyment as an owner) on these cars is timely and well documented maintenance.
- Suspension
- Exhaust
- Tune
Like anything else, the appeal of these mods are subjective (maybe the suspension is too low for some people, the exhaust is too loud, etc.).
The best "mod" for resale (and driving enjoyment as an owner) on these cars is timely and well documented maintenance.
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10-05-2020, 01:27 PM
#5
The answer is, any mod that can be easily taken off and sold separately so that the vehicle is returned to stock prior to sale. This is why I'm adamant about keeping all my old parts, even my old bend rods and sleeves.
The only exception would probably be welded coolant lines though I'm not sure that would be considered a mod.
Some of the best bargains out there are the 1000 hp + modified monsters that the seller can't be bothered to return to stock prior to sale. Those can be had at or near to the market value of a stock example. For example, look at 32krazy's car and what he sold that for when he cashed out. Someone got a steal on that imo.
The only exception would probably be welded coolant lines though I'm not sure that would be considered a mod.
Some of the best bargains out there are the 1000 hp + modified monsters that the seller can't be bothered to return to stock prior to sale. Those can be had at or near to the market value of a stock example. For example, look at 32krazy's car and what he sold that for when he cashed out. Someone got a steal on that imo.
10-05-2020, 02:54 PM
#6
The answer is, any mod that can be easily taken off and sold separately so that the vehicle is returned to stock prior to sale. This is why I'm adamant about keeping all my old parts, even my old bend rods and sleeves.
The only exception would probably be welded coolant lines though I'm not sure that would be considered a mod.
Some of the best bargains out there are the 1000 hp + modified monsters that the seller can't be bothered to return to stock prior to sale. Those can be had at or near to the market value of a stock example. For example, look at 32krazy's car and what he sold that for when he cashed out. Someone got a steal on that imo.
The only exception would probably be welded coolant lines though I'm not sure that would be considered a mod.
Some of the best bargains out there are the 1000 hp + modified monsters that the seller can't be bothered to return to stock prior to sale. Those can be had at or near to the market value of a stock example. For example, look at 32krazy's car and what he sold that for when he cashed out. Someone got a steal on that imo.
10-05-2020, 02:59 PM
#7
The answer is, any mod that can be easily taken off and sold separately so that the vehicle is returned to stock prior to sale. This is why I'm adamant about keeping all my old parts, even my old bend rods and sleeves.
The only exception would probably be welded coolant lines though I'm not sure that would be considered a mod.
Some of the best bargains out there are the 1000 hp + modified monsters that the seller can't be bothered to return to stock prior to sale. Those can be had at or near to the market value of a stock example. For example, look at 32krazy's car and what he sold that for when he cashed out. Someone got a steal on that imo.
The only exception would probably be welded coolant lines though I'm not sure that would be considered a mod.
Some of the best bargains out there are the 1000 hp + modified monsters that the seller can't be bothered to return to stock prior to sale. Those can be had at or near to the market value of a stock example. For example, look at 32krazy's car and what he sold that for when he cashed out. Someone got a steal on that imo.
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10-05-2020, 03:02 PM
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I think of a few different categories of our 996 Turbos....
Stock and unsorted: These bring the most "ROI" and are often the least fun to drive.... Services might be current, but most services never really address things like minor boost leaks, worn suspension, poor alignment, all the little parts that wear out on time regardless of mileage, etc. Most buyers, especially first time turbo owners or buyers at online auctions, really can't tell the difference between a stock sorted and stock unsorted car...
Stock, fully sorted, (potentially collector quality): Same as above, but gone over with a fine-tooth comb and brought back to as the factory intended. More fun to drive than an unsorted car, but nowhere near their full potential as a drivers car. Big bucks to the right buyer if low miles, paint and bodywork perfect, perhaps a rare option or two.
Lightly modded with correct, modern mods, fully sorted: Fully sorted with all the minor stuff, suspension refresh or upgrade, exhaust, modern tune, perhaps a clutch or clutch hydraulics upgrade, perhaps GT2 tire/wheel/alignment specs, perhaps a 350mm brake upgrade, etc. These are an absolute BLAST to drive and will give you supercar level performance at a modest price. If all the upgrades are the correct ones, done by a reputable shop or inspected, you can get a fair bit of the upgrade cost back on resale, but don't expect anywhere near 1:1 return on upgrades. The market for these cars is really owners who have had one before and know exactly what upgrades are good and which ones are worthless or worse...
Old or unknown mods, not sorted: Being able to tell the difference between one of these and the category above is kind of critical, and why many buyers just avoid buying modified cars... Get out your checkbook.
Highly modified: It's great that you can build a 800-1,000HP 996 Turbo to slay the 1/4 mile and/or build a track monster that will outlap a modern cup car, but do it because you absolutely love having something like that and don't expect to recoup a fraction of your investment.... That said, it still will likely be far less loss than the depreciation on a new 992 Turbo!
If it isn't obvious, my favorite is the lightly modded, fully sorted variety. Car was stock when I bought it, and I planned on keeping it more-or-less that way, but that didn't last... I've kept all the stock parts, but realistically it is NEVER going back to stock. Too much work to make the car far less enjoyable, even if it would return a few more dollars if I ever sold it.
Mods include:
GT2-spec wheels and tires sizes, near GT2-spec alignment
Bilstein B8 / H&R Sport spring suspension
350mm rotor conversion
RS brake spoilers, pad upgrade
Fully sorted boost plumbing, 710N diverters, GT2RS intercoolers, Cobb tune
Titanium catless X-pipe exhaust
Short shift console
GT2 clutch upgrade
GT2 clutch slave conversion
I also have a 991.1 Turbo S... The above 996 Turbo is easily as much fun to drive, almost as quick, and always puts a smile on my face. (but the 991 TTS does as well!)
Stock and unsorted: These bring the most "ROI" and are often the least fun to drive.... Services might be current, but most services never really address things like minor boost leaks, worn suspension, poor alignment, all the little parts that wear out on time regardless of mileage, etc. Most buyers, especially first time turbo owners or buyers at online auctions, really can't tell the difference between a stock sorted and stock unsorted car...
Stock, fully sorted, (potentially collector quality): Same as above, but gone over with a fine-tooth comb and brought back to as the factory intended. More fun to drive than an unsorted car, but nowhere near their full potential as a drivers car. Big bucks to the right buyer if low miles, paint and bodywork perfect, perhaps a rare option or two.
Lightly modded with correct, modern mods, fully sorted: Fully sorted with all the minor stuff, suspension refresh or upgrade, exhaust, modern tune, perhaps a clutch or clutch hydraulics upgrade, perhaps GT2 tire/wheel/alignment specs, perhaps a 350mm brake upgrade, etc. These are an absolute BLAST to drive and will give you supercar level performance at a modest price. If all the upgrades are the correct ones, done by a reputable shop or inspected, you can get a fair bit of the upgrade cost back on resale, but don't expect anywhere near 1:1 return on upgrades. The market for these cars is really owners who have had one before and know exactly what upgrades are good and which ones are worthless or worse...
Old or unknown mods, not sorted: Being able to tell the difference between one of these and the category above is kind of critical, and why many buyers just avoid buying modified cars... Get out your checkbook.
Highly modified: It's great that you can build a 800-1,000HP 996 Turbo to slay the 1/4 mile and/or build a track monster that will outlap a modern cup car, but do it because you absolutely love having something like that and don't expect to recoup a fraction of your investment.... That said, it still will likely be far less loss than the depreciation on a new 992 Turbo!
If it isn't obvious, my favorite is the lightly modded, fully sorted variety. Car was stock when I bought it, and I planned on keeping it more-or-less that way, but that didn't last... I've kept all the stock parts, but realistically it is NEVER going back to stock. Too much work to make the car far less enjoyable, even if it would return a few more dollars if I ever sold it.
Mods include:
GT2-spec wheels and tires sizes, near GT2-spec alignment
Bilstein B8 / H&R Sport spring suspension
350mm rotor conversion
RS brake spoilers, pad upgrade
Fully sorted boost plumbing, 710N diverters, GT2RS intercoolers, Cobb tune
Titanium catless X-pipe exhaust
Short shift console
GT2 clutch upgrade
GT2 clutch slave conversion
I also have a 991.1 Turbo S... The above 996 Turbo is easily as much fun to drive, almost as quick, and always puts a smile on my face. (but the 991 TTS does as well!)
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10-05-2020, 05:21 PM
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My advice? You need to decide on what your personal target is for the car in terms of performance and looks and not worry about any return on investment if you modify the car to attain that target.
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10-05-2020, 06:04 PM
#11
mods are subjective in terms of desirability. stock cars are not, and appeal to a much wider base.
their perceived "added value" has to be considered relative to how many like ( or do not ) what was "done".
if the car is to be a "driver"? mod it to your taste. if the car is to be a diminishing ROI? leave it stock.
modded 996 turbos are infinitely more "fun" than stock cars.
their perceived "added value" has to be considered relative to how many like ( or do not ) what was "done".
if the car is to be a "driver"? mod it to your taste. if the car is to be a diminishing ROI? leave it stock.
modded 996 turbos are infinitely more "fun" than stock cars.
10-05-2020, 06:16 PM
#12
Racer
On low mileage cars the more they are kept stock the better. Cars that have miles on them I would say to mod away, as long as it is done right.
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10-05-2020, 06:30 PM
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I am the Walrus (10-14-2020)
10-05-2020, 06:58 PM
#14
Racer
I understand both points of view. My car has 19k miles so I'm not doing any performance mods . I did Erams and PPF, plus some custom ghost flags and Porsche Crests. I also powder coated the rims gloss black with a red stripe around the rim. Nothing that a picky buyer couldn't put back to stock. If i hit 30k miles in the future then all hell will break loose.
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10-05-2020, 08:03 PM
#15
Three Wheelin'
When i purchased my 02 with 40K, no records and signs of having been tracked, I valued the Brembo GT 6 pot BBK with 2 piece rotors all round as an actual $ enhancement. I put 50% of the cost of the kit in my spread sheet as increased value. The Kline exhaust was a bonus at the time, i have now switched back to stock for a more pleasant long haul commute and to not get black flagged at Laguna Seca.