Dock

Never said it didn't exist. And it's not a "me" thing, it's a "forum" thing.

adam_

You're the only one that seems to 'need' it... the forum seems to be fine with NHTSA doing their investigation.

Dock

Have you answered the question I asked you back earlier in this thread?

As far as I'm concerned the NHTSA can investigate anything that is legal for them to investigate. I suspect that coolant pipe leaks are an issue on cars that are tracked, especially if the car has been modified. The 996 Turbo was not intended to be tracked. I haven't read the 996 manual, but suspect it has the same wording as the 996 Turbo. I haven't read the GT3 warranty. My issue is with people using the cars in a way other than what they were designed and sold for and expecting Porsche to cover them. I don't expect Porsche to have to fork over big money simply to make some small group of owners happy when those owners have used the cars outside the design and warranty parameters.

Oh, and here is the exact wording from Porsche regarding the 996 Turbo...

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This Warranty Does Not Cover

Abuse, accident, acts of God, competition, racing or track use...


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So it's possible that the NHTSA could have a very short investigation:

NHTSA to a coolant pipe leak/failure 996 Turbo owner - "Did you use your 996 Turbo in any way not covered by the warranty; competition, racing or track use?"

996 Turbo owner - "Yes"

NHTSA - "We have no further questions".

Gofishracing

If their is a payout we'll ask them to exclude you. The centerlock thread also shows Porsche not stepping up immediately and taking on the responsibility,
From another "knowledgable" source in CL thread. :
Several of the models involved (GT3s and GT3RS's) were marketed as suitable for both street and race track use. Porsche went to far as to say that the CLWA's were "taken directly from motorsport". This indicated to any reasonable buyer that the CLWA's were race tested and were substantial enough to withstand the stresses of both street and race track use.

Basically street or track there is an issue with all the coolant fittings failing with time.

Dock

I'll PM you my name and VIN number if there is a payout and you can do that.

928drvr86.5

"Acts of God" lol, right and just who determines something is an act of god?

Dock

Try that line of reasoning with an attorney when discussing the coolant pipes. I'm guessing that #1 - Porsche didn't market the coolant fittings as race worthy, and that #2 - the warranty is the legal controlling document even if someone attempted to pursue the "racing" angle.

Additionally, parts break during actual race conditions. There is no implied "this will never fail or break when racing". Unlike actual race cars, private weekend "racers" don't replace the same number of wear parts that deep pocket race teams do, so parts on the weekend racer's cars are exposed to potentially much higher wear and tear.

Post up the proof that 996 Turbos that have never been modified or tracked have the coolant pipe failures.

Dock

A tree falling on the car, wind damage from stuff being blown into the car, flood damage...none associated with "acts of man" make them "acts of God".

928drvr86.5

Start a poll Dock. Coolant pipe failures Nay vs. Yay ....track and street use.

928drvr86.5

So... say I'm an atheist (I'm actually Catholic), am I legally constrained to interpretations of events as an act of god based on another's belief that god actually exists? "God caused this", Oh really, can you provide proof?

Dock

It's part of the U.S. legal system lexicon...

http://definitions.uslegal.com/a/act-of-god/

Additionally, the Ten Commandments are posted in the U.S. Supreme Court.

wross996tt

No offense Dock, but it appears you are the only one in the forum that is questioning the allegations.

Dock

I'm doing it for the good of the forum, not for the good of me (see post #65 above).

928drvr86.5

Excellent, did god post them there or was it an "act of man" ......you still have not proven god exists.

LOL it's all in fun Dock.

jumper5836

Thing is that the coolant fitting can blow on a highway and while it may not be on a track. It can kill a family travelling behind them driving in a van.

I have a modified 996tt that got a ton of track days and it has never blown a fitting. While there are stock cars that will just let go for reason. Tracked it a very lose term, people who go to a DE and other then driving their car on a track and just punching it on a straight are not nearly doing what a race car would do. This to me is not track duty, though some people think just being on a track would is, even though to me it's more like Driving Miss Daisy. Their only doing what anyone on a hwy way does but doing it within the law but with more safety.
Just today a stock 997 tt blew is coolant fitting in a DE session. In a green group. Green group goes the speed of a snail, most mini vans on the hwy way are pushing their car harder.