dixonk

My guess is electric cars holding their values about as well as an iPhone or Samsung galaxy does. Anyone want to buy an old x486 computer? Same thing….

ATX_Native

Luxury sedans always take a beating.

2012 Tesla Model S models are still fetching $20k-$30k in my area.

2012 BMW 750Li’s are fetching $9k-$18k

2012 Mercedes E500’s are fetching $12k-$18k.

ManoTexas

True that. Panamera hybrid owners finding that out. Battery replacement after 7-9 yrs appears to be 15-20k. I’m still interested in Lucid, supposedly P interior quality with true long range miles charge. Any Lucid owners here?

Nova997

regarding the F150 Lightning (EV F150 pickup truck ), another thing Ford forgot to mention was that they raised the base price from $40,000 to $50,000.

Marv

If the Tesla was pushing the 911, then at least one 911 would have come in first.

Tuttebenne

I understand the partisanship and all the panties getting twisted up. But I also understand that 125 years ago there was a lot of opposition to gas powered vehicles. People complained of noise, smoke, availability of gas, and (for those who think batteries are expensive) the cost of finding someone who could actually fix a gas engine at the time. We can stand in the road or we can embrace change. Its a choice. But holding on to the notion that someone will be around in 30 years to repair the engine management computers in your ST or Sport Classic is probably an indication you are breathing too much exhaust.

Graufuchs

That's why there is Porsche classic services. That's why companies exist that repair electrical components for classic cars (Everything from AMPs to DMEs).

If there is a demand for repairs, there will be services offered. Every single 911 generation has support, factory and aftermarket.

Hydrogen technology paired with synthetic fuels will keep ICE cars on the road for the long-term without the environmental impacts that E/Vs cause.

E/Vs are not the answer (With current infrastructure & technology), govt subsidies for technology NOT up to par is not the answer. Unfortunately this is a partisan topic due to Govt involvement.

Since this isnt the Off Topic section we skirt around "political aspect of this topic". Lets try and keep it that way here.

Change is not always necessarily good or for the benefit of general mankind.

Marv

Well, it has to start somewhere and I do not expect any transition, be it electric or alternative fuel, to be seamless.

I am not about to give up my GT car for an EV, but today's Tycan is still an impressive car, despite its so called limitations. That's not a bad start for any revolution in the transportation industry. I could easily do 99.9% of my driving needs with something like that and overnight charging in my garage.

Petza914

If you're allowed to charge it overnight in your garage. CA has already had charging hour restrictions that occured at night, and this is with maybe 10% of the cars being EVs, if that.

How do you get to work when you only own an EV and can't charge it at night? Then the argument is that you increase and improve the power grid to create enough electricity to support all the EV charging - what t technology is used to quintuple the available electricity that's available now - not going to be done by wind or solar....so is it nuclear, coal, hydrogen, ans what environmental effect does that have in order fornisnto be able to transition to electric cars?

It's a forced transition that doesn't need to occur based on how clean burning new ICE are and how many untapped petroleum resources there are.
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Graufuchs

California:

#1 in E/V Purchases: https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/5...les-1188694/5/

4% of vehicles on the road are E/Vs - https://evstatistics.com/2022/09/4-o...ornia-are-evs/

2nd most expensive state per kw hour - https://www.chooseenergy.com/electri...ates-by-state/

Highest number of Electrical Outages - https://paylesspower.com/blog/the-mo...power-outages/

Just the facts.....

Tuttebenne

Charging and the infrastructure are two big issues for EVs whether sedan or cybertruck. But we fail to acknowledge that over three short years, a huge percentage of the workforce has migrated to working from home at least one day a week. I know that my former employer, a dyed in the wool Japanese autocracy would never allow people to work from home. Now, post Covid, everyone there but VPs work from home three days a week and they are considering five days a week. The concept of "commuting" is changing. It will never go away but commuting five days a week as we have known it, is, for a lot of people, history.

As for the Cybertruck/Porsche race, would you say they ran an 1/8th mile?

Petza914

Maybe the one benefit from Covid was how accepted Teams & Zoom meetings have now become. As someone who travelled for work the 20 years prior, being able to cut that in half or better since covid with virtual meetings has been fanstastic.

But some employers aren't fully embracing the "work from home" or flexible work schedule programs - amazon being one of them - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/17/amaz...ays%20a%20week.

Fahrer

That was about 1/8th mile. The reason is that a 1/4 mile run would show the 911 catching up and passing the truck. In general, EVs can be very quick at 0-60 but then then the power falls off as the revs of the electric motor increase e.g. highway speeds. The Taycan and Audi e-tron GT both have 2 peed transmissions ( very unusual in EVs) to improve highway performance at the expense of some efficiency.

ManoTexas

Pete, I agree somewhat. Spent 25 yrs on road 42+ weeks/yr. Now remote 99%. Agree it’s fantastic but couple downsides. Wife doesn’t like me being home. I don’t get the 46 miles each way to airport in car with top down. Drive maybe once a week and spend most of my 911 time gazing and telling her how much I love her.

Petza914

LOL

With the exhaust you have, once a week is unacceptable.... you're depriving the world of glorious sound.