What percentage of 997.2s are manuals?
04-05-2024, 07:07 PM
#91
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Lets start debate on why Manual Transmission Porsche's are a far more superior Sports Car.
...And IMO you don't buy a Sportscar to use as a daily driver being stuck in traffic all day. ...No no no, thats what my Diesel SUV is used for.
Manual Transmission so much more engaging and fun - Especially in the curves.
It's no wonder why they are a more expensive & a much more desireable model.
...And IMO you don't buy a Sportscar to use as a daily driver being stuck in traffic all day. ...No no no, thats what my Diesel SUV is used for.
Manual Transmission so much more engaging and fun - Especially in the curves.
It's no wonder why they are a more expensive & a much more desireable model.
The technical marvel that the flat 6 engine is, you don't fully experience what a Porsche is all about unless you have the connection with that engine that only comes via a clutch and a manual transmission.
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04-05-2024, 07:08 PM
#92
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I just tried the same thing with carrera, carrera s, 4s, 4 (no turbos or GTS or GT3) and got 23 out of 87 nationwide and I clicked around and 1 was mislabeled as a manual but was an auto. That's 25%. I also have no idea what the debate is as I haven't followed that closely or what the search parameters should be. I was just curious how many were mislabeled and it turns out not that many.
I found 1 mislabeled as well. One wonders how many, if any are 6 speeds and labeled as PDK'S due to sloppiness?
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04-05-2024, 07:09 PM
#93
I think it's based on his projections for allocations in conjunction with a waiting list of customers who've placed deposits. (And that's with a 15% increase in allocation based on their new facility that's presently under construction and due to open this fall.)
The net situation is - significantly more demand than supply will satisfy.
The net situation is - significantly more demand than supply will satisfy.
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04-05-2024, 07:24 PM
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04-05-2024, 08:56 PM
#96
Lets start debate on why Manual Transmission Porsche's are a far more superior Sports Car.
...And IMO you don't buy a Sportscar to use as a daily driver being stuck in traffic all day. ...No no no, thats what my Diesel SUV is used for.
Manual Transmission so much more engaging and fun - Especially in the curves.
It's no wonder why they are a more expensive & a much more desireable model.
...And IMO you don't buy a Sportscar to use as a daily driver being stuck in traffic all day. ...No no no, thats what my Diesel SUV is used for.
Manual Transmission so much more engaging and fun - Especially in the curves.
It's no wonder why they are a more expensive & a much more desireable model.
Might as well start a debate on how many miles you drive a year.... Some drive more, some drive less, but everyone should drive as much as possible to enjoy these truly great driving cars.
Anyone thinking they're buying an investment is missing the point.
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04-05-2024, 09:14 PM
#98
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Why not just enjoy your ride. Dot 1, Dot 2, manual, Tip, PDK? Just go out and enjoy it.
Might as well start a debate on how many miles you drive a year.... Some drive more, some drive less, but everyone should drive as much as possible to enjoy these truly great driving cars.
Anyone thinking they're buying an investment is missing the point.
Might as well start a debate on how many miles you drive a year.... Some drive more, some drive less, but everyone should drive as much as possible to enjoy these truly great driving cars.
Anyone thinking they're buying an investment is missing the point.
Sportscars for fun & enjoyment.
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04-05-2024, 09:56 PM
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This thread isn't about debating manual vs PDK. The OP wanted to know what percentage of .2s are manual. The debate centers around what the actual percentage is: approx 20-40%. It seems most believe it is on the lower end, while some (i.e., me) believe it is on the higher end. 
Why not just enjoy your ride. Dot 1, Dot 2, manual, Tip, PDK? Just go out and enjoy it.
Might as well start a debate on how many miles you drive a year.... Some drive more, some drive less, but everyone should drive as much as possible to enjoy these truly great driving cars.
Anyone thinking they're buying an investment is missing the point.
Might as well start a debate on how many miles you drive a year.... Some drive more, some drive less, but everyone should drive as much as possible to enjoy these truly great driving cars.
Anyone thinking they're buying an investment is missing the point.
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04-05-2024, 10:00 PM
#100
I was simply responding to Groove's post and included the quote.
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04-05-2024, 10:21 PM
#101
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This thread isn't about debating manual vs PDK. The OP wanted to know what percentage of .2s are manual. The debate centers around what the actual percentage is: approx 20-40%. It seems most believe it is on the lower end, while some (i.e., me) believe it is on the higher end.
But you know, all of the non-sourced info is devoid of actual fact, and speculation of course is just blather - so why not deviate down a secondary path for a moment or so...
No harm done.
04-06-2024, 04:11 AM
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04-06-2024, 10:03 AM
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Seriously? Hard to imagine how that wouldn't translate to higher prices for pre-owned cars. Does allocations for the next 5 years being sold out mean that ordering a car today won't be delivered until 5 years from now or just that they won't take any additional orders for the next 5 years for the current models? There's bound to be a newer 911 version in the next 5 years to come.
And the average buyer?
you’re in effect putting your name on a list to be called when the dealer has an allocation available, after they’ve been through all the names ahead of you. By the time they get to you, yes, it might be a newer model, not to mention a higher MSRP.
but that’s not all: they aren’t all exactly known to go through the list sequentially, instead at times prioritizing important clients over less important clients. real important clients may get bumped to the top of the list a few few times before they get to the guy who is a first time buyer with the dealership.
All these dynamics most prevalent with the more desirable models.
to watch a good and satirical send-up about this dynamic, watch the first 2 minutes of this recent Throttle House review of the ‘24 911 S/T
which config is not only over $300K MSRP, it’s made of unobtainium.
04-06-2024, 10:43 AM
#105
Yes, Porsche dealers are really dishonest allowing these order lists to build up, when they rarely bear any relation to how allocations are actually given out.
Love Throttle House, by the way. Those guys are becoming the 2020s version of peak Top Gear.
Love Throttle House, by the way. Those guys are becoming the 2020s version of peak Top Gear.
it inflates pre-owned prices, allows steady increasing MSRP on new units, and elevates the exclusivity (and so value) of the brand - all essentially taking a page out of the post-2000 corporate strategy book of Rolex.
And the average buyer?
you’re in effect putting your name on a list to be called when the dealer has an allocation available, after they’ve been through all the names ahead of you. By the time they get to you, yes, it might be a newer model, not to mention a higher MSRP.
but that’s not all: they aren’t all exactly known to go through the list sequentially, instead at times prioritizing important clients over less important clients. real important clients may get bumped to the top of the list a few few times before they get to the guy who is a first time buyer with the dealership.
All these dynamics most prevalent with the more desirable models.
to watch a good and satirical send-up about this dynamic, watch the first 2 minutes of this recent Throttle House review of the ‘24 911 S/T
which config is not only over $300K MSRP, it’s made of unobtainium.
And the average buyer?
you’re in effect putting your name on a list to be called when the dealer has an allocation available, after they’ve been through all the names ahead of you. By the time they get to you, yes, it might be a newer model, not to mention a higher MSRP.
but that’s not all: they aren’t all exactly known to go through the list sequentially, instead at times prioritizing important clients over less important clients. real important clients may get bumped to the top of the list a few few times before they get to the guy who is a first time buyer with the dealership.
All these dynamics most prevalent with the more desirable models.
to watch a good and satirical send-up about this dynamic, watch the first 2 minutes of this recent Throttle House review of the ‘24 911 S/T
which config is not only over $300K MSRP, it’s made of unobtainium.