Is my dealer trying to rip me off on 20k service ?? - Page 4

Minok · 07-27-2009, 05:37 PM

Brake fluid change every 2 years is typical across all makes as the fluid will absorb any moisture it can see from the air, etc. If you end up with moisture in the brake system it starts to impact the way the hydraulics work, and the moisture can affect the steel bits of the braking system in the calipers over the very long term (like if you only change the fluid every 5-10 years). Still flush, refill, bleed.. its the same process on a 911 as on a Honda..

Coolant? I thought the cars came with 'lifetime' coolant?

997, esq · 07-27-2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minok

Brake fluid change every 2 years is typical across all makes as the fluid will absorb any moisture it can see from the air, etc. If you end up with moisture in the brake system it starts to impact the way the hydraulics work, and the moisture can affect the steel bits of the braking system in the calipers over the very long term (like if you only change the fluid every 5-10 years). Still flush, refill, bleed.. its the same process on a 911 as on a Honda..

It does depend a bit on where you live. Moist areas, such as your Pacific NW, probably require more frequent changes than Tuscon, Palm Springs, LA, etc.

FWIW, I got the fluid changed at an Indy for $90 at 2.5 yrs, 20K miles. It's an easy job to DIY, if you like doing that sort of thing. $300 is a flat out waste of money. I guess Porsche dealers figure that people with money often don't know what is involved in these things and that they will pay basically anything.

OldGuy · 07-27-2009, 06:48 PM

A brake fulid change with the Power Bleeder ($70+ATF blue $16) is easy and you and your kid
can do it in an hour. Oil change is easy to do (on a GT3 with a dry sump) and parts + oil is $90.
The air filter on a GT3 took 5 minutes all parts available from Pelicanparts.com
I havent checked the air and oil filters on this new one.

MLindgren · 07-27-2009, 08:03 PM

WTF are they doing to clean the fuel injectors beyond dumping some crap in the gas tank.

Can somebody shed some light on this.

I need to

and see what is actually recommended.

dmk2 · 07-27-2009, 09:55 PM

I paid $279.66 at Momentum Porsche today for the two year service. It included an oil change and brake fluid change.

InTheAir · 07-28-2009, 09:12 AM

I know it's an old thread, but WTH, changing brake fluid is an easy DIY and cheap (power bleeder and fluid).

I just had 16000 service (they tried to sell the pollen filter and brake fluid, but I already did both myself), which was just oil. $189 with coupon.

Swoody · 07-28-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldGuy

A brake fulid change with the Power Bleeder ($70+ATF blue $16) is easy and you and your kid
can do it in an hour. Oil change is easy to do (on a GT3 with a dry sump) and parts + oil is $90.
The air filter on a GT3 took 5 minutes all parts available from Pelicanparts.com
I havent checked the air and oil filters on this new one.

Absolutely...I just did my oil recently (posted in turbo forum w/ pics) and 2 days ago w/ power bleeder and Motul rbf600 did my brake fluid (super easy DIY). If any pics are needed or any questions LMK and I will post them.

pbarch1 · 07-28-2009, 05:22 PM

Don't get me wrong I have no problem paying for "service" but the soaking that my dealer wants to give me was just too much. In todays economy I would think that dealerships would be looking to intice their regular customers in coming in for true service. If they told me they would check everythign for free, and charge me for what was recommended I would have probable paided the bill. That would have been service!!

flintworks · 07-28-2009, 06:16 PM

Porsche recommends flushing the brake fluid every two years because the fluid naturally absorbs water which lowers the boiling point. Water also causes corrosion which can cause the brake lines to deteriorate over time. On 993s if you didn't flush the brake fluid it would turn into jelly but this was a different type of fluid. Some PCA and other groups that do track days require you to flush the brake fluid within 90 days of the event. If anyone is in the SF bay area I just opened the only Porsche factory certified indepent shop in the area. I'll do brake flushes for $75 and oil changes for $100. PM me for details.

Spiffyjiff · 08-10-2009, 10:22 AM

anyone know a good shop in MD/VA? i live in gaithersburg so the closer the better.

richc · 08-10-2009, 11:45 AM

Did the dealer tell you about flushing the cabin air and replacing it with alpine air imported from Austria? It was only $440 when I got it done and it made a huge difference in the driving experience. They can replace your tire air too, I was told they'll do that for only $300. I passed on the tire air change.

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MLindgren Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Eastern Mobotsuland Posts: 1,005	WTF are they doing to clean the fuel injectors beyond dumping some crap in the gas tank. Can somebody shed some light on this. I need to and see what is actually recommended. __________________ 997 Bug 2S

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07-27-2009, 05:37 PM	#46
Minok User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 730	Brake fluid change every 2 years is typical across all makes as the fluid will absorb any moisture it can see from the air, etc. If you end up with moisture in the brake system it starts to impact the way the hydraulics work, and the moisture can affect the steel bits of the braking system in the calipers over the very long term (like if you only change the fluid every 5-10 years). Still flush, refill, bleed.. its the same process on a 911 as on a Honda.. Coolant? I thought the cars came with 'lifetime' coolant?

07-27-2009, 09:55 PM	#50
dmk2 New User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2	I paid $279.66 at Momentum Porsche today for the two year service. It included an oil change and brake fluid change.

07-28-2009, 09:12 AM	#51
InTheAir Patent Pending Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Neither Here Nor There Posts: 5,324	I know it's an old thread, but WTH, changing brake fluid is an easy DIY and cheap (power bleeder and fluid). I just had 16000 service (they tried to sell the pollen filter and brake fluid, but I already did both myself), which was just oil. $189 with coupon.

07-28-2009, 05:22 PM	#53
pbarch1 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Central California Posts: 155	Don't get me wrong I have no problem paying for "service" but the soaking that my dealer wants to give me was just too much. In todays economy I would think that dealerships would be looking to intice their regular customers in coming in for true service. If they told me they would check everythign for free, and charge me for what was recommended I would have probable paided the bill. That would have been service!!

07-28-2009, 06:16 PM	#54
flintworks User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: campbell, ca Posts: 49	Porsche recommends flushing the brake fluid every two years because the fluid naturally absorbs water which lowers the boiling point. Water also causes corrosion which can cause the brake lines to deteriorate over time. On 993s if you didn't flush the brake fluid it would turn into jelly but this was a different type of fluid. Some PCA and other groups that do track days require you to flush the brake fluid within 90 days of the event. If anyone is in the SF bay area I just opened the only Porsche factory certified indepent shop in the area. I'll do brake flushes for $75 and oil changes for $100. PM me for details.

08-10-2009, 11:45 AM	#56
richc User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 533	Did the dealer tell you about flushing the cabin air and replacing it with alpine air imported from Austria? It was only $440 when I got it done and it made a huge difference in the driving experience. They can replace your tire air too, I was told they'll do that for only $300. I passed on the tire air change.