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Old 03-24-2008, 11:25 PM
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I found the doc on the Nikon forum as doctorncamera. He's up to 300 posts looking for the perfect camera for automotive photography.
Old 03-24-2008, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OCBen
Hey Pug, long time no see.
Maybe Edgy can chime in on this, but that's what I was told at Newport Auto when I asked about placing an order through them. Maybe there's a legal out, but they don't tell customers that. I guess the reason for that might be to scare them into really being sure of what they order, so that nobody walks in and orders the ugliest possible combo with no intention of ever taking delivery.
Glad to see you back Ben.

You just touched on it. The reason California dealers even bother asking for a deposit is to get the customer to show good faith and to get the customer “thinking” they have bought a car (in other words to try and take them off the market). Most customers don’t know the law and the dealers use that fact to their advantage.

We also used to ask for a deposit to place someone on a waiting list to try and weed out those that were not really serious.

But at the end of the day, until the customer takes delivery (that includes paying for the vehicle, signing all the papers and physically driving the car off the lot) they can ask for and by law get back their full deposit in the State of California.
Old 03-24-2008, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by joninoc
I found the doc on the Nikon forum as doctorncamera. He's up to 300 posts looking for the perfect camera for automotive photography.
You guys are BAD!!



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Old 03-24-2008, 11:40 PM
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I'm waiting for the rant on me one day....

Deanski or "Dr Shine".... "See that? That is ****... See this? This is Shine-o-la".

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As someone mentioned, I believe in California many dealers use the deposit amount to judge the intent of the potential buyer. When I first walked in to my dealership their really crapped salesman cited a $5M deposit. A couple months later (after that guy hit the road) my real salesman merely cited $1000 despite a weird color, etc. (I wanted to put the whole CAR on my AMEXCO but they baulked at that!).
Old 03-25-2008, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MartyB
Ben didn't deny posting as dpc. Hmmmmm. dpc's exit and Ben's return did coincide somewhat conspicuously
Dayum, you're good Marty!

I thought I had you guys fooled. Guess my vigorous defense of the poor fellow gave it away, huh?

Wow, can't slip anything past you guys!
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Originally Posted by Edgy01
When I first walked in to my dealership their really crapped salesman cited a $5M deposit.


Hmmm, a $5 Million dollar deposit on a $120k car? Yeah, I'd say they're doing something right.
Old 03-25-2008, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OCBen


Hmmm, a $5 Million dollar deposit on a $120k car? Yeah, I'd say they're doing something right.
While many use K to designate 1,000, M is also used - mille = latin for thousand and MM = 1,000 x 1,000 or 1,000,000. I've seen M and K used interchangeably.
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Originally Posted by jhbrennan
While many use K to designate 1,000, M is also used - mille = latin for thousand and MM = 1,000 x 1,000 or 1,000,000. I've seen M and K used interchangeably.
Maybe in some European or Latin American countries, but I've never seen it used here.

I find it hard to believe that the two could be interchangeable, since we're talking about two orders of magnitude in the difference -- a huge difference that could lead to serious errors if left to ambiguity in the meaning of the suffix.

You say you've seen M and K used interchangeably. Can you cite one such instance?
Old 03-25-2008, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jhbrennan
While many use K to designate 1,000, M is also used - mille = latin for thousand and MM = 1,000 x 1,000 or 1,000,000. I've seen M and K used interchangeably.
People should just say K like everybody else, there is no need to be excentric, nothing to prove on a forum
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Originally Posted by OCBen
Maybe in some European or Latin American countries, but I've never seen it used here.

I find it hard to believe that the two could be interchangeable, since we're talking about two orders of magnitude in the difference -- a huge difference that could lead to serious errors if left to ambiguity in the meaning of the suffix.

You say you've seen M and K used interchangeably. Can you cite one such instance?
I didn't mean interchangeably in the same document. It might take me 1M searches (or is that 1K) to find you one such instance - not worth my time. I guess I've seen the designation enough to know that if someone told me OCBen had 10.5M posts I'd recognize that it was thousands not millions.

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Old 03-25-2008, 12:36 PM
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M was used before K - until kilobytes came along, everyone knew M meant 1000. Check out those roman numerals at the movies next time you're there. Make sure you park the 997 away from the crowd though.
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Originally Posted by Edgy01
As someone mentioned, I believe in California many dealers use the deposit amount to judge the intent of the potential buyer. When I first walked in to my dealership their really crapped salesman cited a $5M deposit. A couple months later (after that guy hit the road) my real salesman merely cited $1000 despite a weird color, etc. (I wanted to put the whole CAR on my AMEXCO but they baulked at that!).
Dan we had a customer that used to put equipment(20k at most) on his Amex card routinely. We finally got wise and made the proper adjustments. I understand that he used to do the same same to the Cat and Komatsu dealers with some large ticket Items (mid six figures) just to get the points.

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Old 03-25-2008, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vjgtrybno1
M was used before K - until kilobytes came along, everyone knew M meant 1000. Check out those roman numerals at the movies next time you're there. Make sure you park the 997 away from the crowd though.
+1

I was involved in the printing industry (back in the day) and we used M to signify 1000 labels and MM for one million.

Cheers,
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Originally Posted by OCBen


Hmmm, a $5 Million dollar deposit on a $120k car? Yeah, I'd say they're doing something right.
Sorry guys! I work in millions all the time and I slipped that in!


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