My wait is ended...............
05-10-2010, 10:33 AM
#34
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Great car, now get clear bra done on front bumper and hood until your paint is still unchipped.
05-10-2010, 11:26 AM
#35
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As you all know, Porsche builds these cars via a manufacturing process known as "Just In Time." For a car to be assembled by parts that are arriving at the factory 'just in time' requires a significant number of contracts with their subvendors. It dictates the engineering standards to which they must conform in order to be a vendor for Porsche. Unfortunately, Porsche has not been successful in tightening up some of the specifications when it comes to paint.
Once a car is painted at the paint shop in Zuffenhausen, that completed, and dried shell, proceeds down the production line, going through a 55 minute process. As parts are fitted and screwed onto the car, those that are painted to match the car were painted by that supplier, in their own respective paint shops. Paint is a complex surface treatment when the underlying material varies. For example, the current 911 is built from a variety of materials not just to include steel, aluminum, plastics, and polymers. The effect is that you can possibly get unpredictable results, particularly with the interaction of the underlaying material, the color coat, and finally, the clear coat.
In the recent past, Porsche has found particular difficulties in getting every past color from their palettes to be reproduced on one of today's cars. Their difficulty is primarily on the lighter colors, both metallic and solid, but more so with the solids. When a customer selects a color for possible production consideration, Porsche goes through a very exhaustive process in confirming that that color can be used on a 997. Just because the color was used ten years ago does not mean that it can be used again. The processes were different then (not to mention environmental issues). Porsche mixes up a set of samples to apply to the various materials on the car. They also apply the same clearcoats that have been dictated by their contracts with their subs. Inevitably, some colors will not pass muster. As Porsche states, "if we're not happy with the results, we think the owners won't be happy either." They do everything they can to avoid that "two tone" look which would only irritate an owner.
This lengthy lead-time for a P.T.S. color is better understood when you see what is happening behind the scenes at Porsche. They need that time to confirm that a color you suggest is possible. One of my colors was rejected some 90 days after I had submitted it, necessitating the selection of another (and another). Keep in mind that their list of approved colors changes from time to time as they either change painting processes with their subs, or tighten up the specifications (e.g., on clear coats) with those vendors. Many have remarked how they don't want to pay for paint--they want performance for their money. That's a good point, but recall that Porsche is one of a handful of bespoke manufacturers today who still offers Paint To Sample. At least you have the option.
05-10-2010, 12:51 PM
#36
Just to remind newer Rennlist members in the paint restriction issues for Porsche.
As you all know, Porsche builds these cars via a manufacturing process known as "Just In Time." For a car to be assembled by parts that are arriving at the factory 'just in time' requires a significant number of contracts with their subvendors. It dictates the engineering standards to which they must conform in order to be a vendor for Porsche. Unfortunately, Porsche has not been successful in tightening up some of the specifications when it comes to paint.
Once a car is painted at the paint shop in Zuffenhausen, that completed, and dried shell, proceeds down the production line, going through a 55 minute process. As parts are fitted and screwed onto the car, those that are painted to match the car were painted by that supplier, in their own respective paint shops. Paint is a complex surface treatment when the underlying material varies. For example, the current 911 is built from a variety of materials not just to include steel, aluminum, plastics, and polymers. The effect is that you can possibly get unpredictable results, particularly with the interaction of the underlaying material, the color coat, and finally, the clear coat.
In the recent past, Porsche has found particular difficulties in getting every past color from their palettes to be reproduced on one of today's cars. Their difficulty is primarily on the lighter colors, both metallic and solid, but more so with the solids. When a customer selects a color for possible production consideration, Porsche goes through a very exhaustive process in confirming that that color can be used on a 997. Just because the color was used ten years ago does not mean that it can be used again. The processes were different then (not to mention environmental issues). Porsche mixes up a set of samples to apply to the various materials on the car. They also apply the same clearcoats that have been dictated by their contracts with their subs. Inevitably, some colors will not pass muster. As Porsche states, "if we're not happy with the results, we think the owners won't be happy either." They do everything they can to avoid that "two tone" look which would only irritate an owner.
This lengthy lead-time for a P.T.S. color is better understood when you see what is happening behind the scenes at Porsche. They need that time to confirm that a color you suggest is possible. One of my colors was rejected some 90 days after I had submitted it, necessitating the selection of another (and another). Keep in mind that their list of approved colors changes from time to time as they either change painting processes with their subs, or tighten up the specifications (e.g., on clear coats) with those vendors. Many have remarked how they don't want to pay for paint--they want performance for their money. That's a good point, but recall that Porsche is one of a handful of bespoke manufacturers today who still offers Paint To Sample. At least you have the option.
As you all know, Porsche builds these cars via a manufacturing process known as "Just In Time." For a car to be assembled by parts that are arriving at the factory 'just in time' requires a significant number of contracts with their subvendors. It dictates the engineering standards to which they must conform in order to be a vendor for Porsche. Unfortunately, Porsche has not been successful in tightening up some of the specifications when it comes to paint.
Once a car is painted at the paint shop in Zuffenhausen, that completed, and dried shell, proceeds down the production line, going through a 55 minute process. As parts are fitted and screwed onto the car, those that are painted to match the car were painted by that supplier, in their own respective paint shops. Paint is a complex surface treatment when the underlying material varies. For example, the current 911 is built from a variety of materials not just to include steel, aluminum, plastics, and polymers. The effect is that you can possibly get unpredictable results, particularly with the interaction of the underlaying material, the color coat, and finally, the clear coat.
In the recent past, Porsche has found particular difficulties in getting every past color from their palettes to be reproduced on one of today's cars. Their difficulty is primarily on the lighter colors, both metallic and solid, but more so with the solids. When a customer selects a color for possible production consideration, Porsche goes through a very exhaustive process in confirming that that color can be used on a 997. Just because the color was used ten years ago does not mean that it can be used again. The processes were different then (not to mention environmental issues). Porsche mixes up a set of samples to apply to the various materials on the car. They also apply the same clearcoats that have been dictated by their contracts with their subs. Inevitably, some colors will not pass muster. As Porsche states, "if we're not happy with the results, we think the owners won't be happy either." They do everything they can to avoid that "two tone" look which would only irritate an owner.
This lengthy lead-time for a P.T.S. color is better understood when you see what is happening behind the scenes at Porsche. They need that time to confirm that a color you suggest is possible. One of my colors was rejected some 90 days after I had submitted it, necessitating the selection of another (and another). Keep in mind that their list of approved colors changes from time to time as they either change painting processes with their subs, or tighten up the specifications (e.g., on clear coats) with those vendors. Many have remarked how they don't want to pay for paint--they want performance for their money. That's a good point, but recall that Porsche is one of a handful of bespoke manufacturers today who still offers Paint To Sample. At least you have the option.
05-10-2010, 05:12 PM
#37
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She is a winner!
Easy way to tell the differance, Dan has the leather sun visors
PS these PtS cars are vote magnets at local Concour events:
Easy way to tell the differance, Dan has the leather sun visors
PS these PtS cars are vote magnets at local Concour events:
05-10-2010, 06:49 PM
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base question, but does anyone know why the red line was not done on the first gen 997? but was on the 996 4S and pre, and on the sec gen etc. thanks.
05-10-2010, 11:04 PM
#40
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I personally believe that it adds a degree of clutter that isn't really necessary--but the AWD guys (with Gen II) like that extra tie-in to the past.
And occasionally, you can find a mistake...
P.S.--good for you Bruce!
05-11-2010, 03:38 AM
#42
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Go forth and be merry and sin and blame it on the other turquoise C4 Cab! LOL Seriously great looking car to both of you!
05-11-2010, 09:40 AM
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Just to remind newer Rennlist members in the paint restriction issues for Porsche.
As you all know, Porsche builds these cars via a manufacturing process known as "Just In Time." For a car to be assembled by parts that are arriving at the factory 'just in time' requires a significant number of contracts with their subvendors. It dictates the engineering standards to which they must conform in order to be a vendor for Porsche. Unfortunately, Porsche has not been successful in tightening up some of the specifications when it comes to paint.
Once a car is painted at the paint shop in Zuffenhausen, that completed, and dried shell, proceeds down the production line, going through a 55 minute process. As parts are fitted and screwed onto the car, those that are painted to match the car were painted by that supplier, in their own respective paint shops. Paint is a complex surface treatment when the underlying material varies. For example, the current 911 is built from a variety of materials not just to include steel, aluminum, plastics, and polymers. The effect is that you can possibly get unpredictable results, particularly with the interaction of the underlaying material, the color coat, and finally, the clear coat.
As you all know, Porsche builds these cars via a manufacturing process known as "Just In Time." For a car to be assembled by parts that are arriving at the factory 'just in time' requires a significant number of contracts with their subvendors. It dictates the engineering standards to which they must conform in order to be a vendor for Porsche. Unfortunately, Porsche has not been successful in tightening up some of the specifications when it comes to paint.
Once a car is painted at the paint shop in Zuffenhausen, that completed, and dried shell, proceeds down the production line, going through a 55 minute process. As parts are fitted and screwed onto the car, those that are painted to match the car were painted by that supplier, in their own respective paint shops. Paint is a complex surface treatment when the underlying material varies. For example, the current 911 is built from a variety of materials not just to include steel, aluminum, plastics, and polymers. The effect is that you can possibly get unpredictable results, particularly with the interaction of the underlaying material, the color coat, and finally, the clear coat.
05-12-2010, 01:48 AM
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