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Old 07-27-2011, 01:11 PM
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Wondering if what I have heard is correct, that the PDK is 90% of the buildout on the GTS ?
I would think that will make the 6-spd more sought after due to its small availablility later on.

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Old 07-27-2011, 01:18 PM
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i would probably buy PDK if i was after GTS. 10% is probably fair size of 6spd segment considering PDK is way better for performance.
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On paper its better by .4 sec, true, but it seems like the 6-spd is going to be harder to find in newer cars. Kinda losing that part of the sports car experience it seems.
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Originally Posted by pewter82
On paper its better by .4 sec, true, but it seems like the 6-spd is going to be harder to find in newer cars. Kinda losing that part of the sports car experience it seems.
I agree. And then the wife could drive it, and I don't want that to happen.
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Unfortunately I think the 6MT is a rarity on all 911's now.
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What's the percentage for all 997?
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6 speed on my 2012 GTS. The other one at my dealer was a 2011 PDK. They have had the PDK car since March.
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6-speed will be rarer and potentially more valuable in the future in used market.
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Originally Posted by alexb76
6-speed will be rarer and potentially more valuable in the future in used market.
I don't mean to be argumentative but I disagree. It's only more valuable to those that want it. There's a reason more of the cars sold are fitted with a PDK. First, it's a trend in the marketplace as more and more people don't want to row their own and second, in order to meet fuel economy requirements, etc. the PDK gives the manufacturer more control over shift points, etc. to meet them. Many have said that the PDK upshifts too quickly for their liking. That's because the lower engine speed at higher vehicle traveling speeds contribute to lower fuel consumption. This means that the manufacturer has a greater probability of meeting CAFE requirements.
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Originally Posted by CarGuy21
I don't mean to be argumentative but I disagree. It's only more valuable to those that want it. ...
That's the irony of rarity, when the rare product is one of two options and the other option has the larger market.
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Thinking about these cars as any sort of collector's item is delusional.

I heard there werent that many tiptronic 996's......must be some sort of a price premium!
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Originally Posted by pewter82
Wondering if what I have heard is correct, that the PDK is 90% of the buildout on the GTS ?
I would think that will make the 6-spd more sought after due to its small availablility later on.
Originally Posted by alexb76
6-speed will be rarer and potentially more valuable in the future in used market.
I would not be surprised to hear only 10% are manual. PDK is the best of both worlds to many, and this is a GT car; I'd bet the Spyder and Cayman R have a larger percentage of manuals.

Regardless, even with smaller production numbers, I doubt the manual transmission cars will ever be more valuable. Unless the PDK is later discovered to be flawed, there is no reason to think used buyers would be more interested in a manual than new buyers; demand shouldn't shift, so with given supply, prices shouldn't shift, either.
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Originally Posted by CarGuy21
I don't mean to be argumentative but I disagree. It's only more valuable to those that want it. There's a reason more of the cars sold are fitted with a PDK. First, it's a trend in the marketplace as more and more people don't want to row their own and second, in order to meet fuel economy requirements, etc. the PDK gives the manufacturer more control over shift points, etc. to meet them. Many have said that the PDK upshifts too quickly for their liking. That's because the lower engine speed at higher vehicle traveling speeds contribute to lower fuel consumption. This means that the manufacturer has a greater probability of meeting CAFE requirements.
Yes. And if someone thinks PDK shifts too soon there are two excellent and very simple solutions: press the "Sport" button or shift it manually, as I do 90% of the time.

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That's the irony of rarity, when the rare product is one of two options and the other option has the larger market.
So true.

Originally Posted by GHills
I heard there werent that many tiptronic 996's......must be some sort of a price premium!


Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Regardless, even with smaller production numbers, I doubt the manual transmission cars will ever be more valuable. Unless the PDK is later discovered to be flawed, there is no reason to think used buyers would be more interested in a manual than new buyers; demand shouldn't shift, so with given supply, prices shouldn't shift, either.
Agree.
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
i would probably buy PDK if i was after GTS. 10% is probably fair size of 6spd segment considering PDK is way better for performance.
Let's be realistic, most people don't buy PDK b/c of it's performance, they buy it b/c they can't drive manual. Among the group of people I know only 10% can drive manuals, sounds about right.
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I would guess that more than 10% of GTS buyers have the ability to drive a manual. I think the shift (no pun intended) away from manuals is equal parts because the GTS is more of a GT car (some manual buyers may have opted for a similarly priced GT3), and because dual-clutch manuals have become accepted as an automatic transmission in sports cars.


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