Jackson22

I just want to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed reading all the thoughtful posts regarding the 997s/991s and I finally joined so I could participate in the discussion.

As background, I recently traded in my 2008 C4S, 6 sp. manual, sport chrono after seeing and test driving a 991 S and, while I LOVED the performance, just didn't fall in love with the lines. I had a harder time seeing the classic 911 of my youth in the 991, so I impulse purchased a 2012 C 4GTS PDK to "lock in" what I consider to be an instant classic. (I also have a 2010 Cayenne GTS that I love, so it's safe to say I'm a Porsche fanatic). I will point out for 997.1 owners that the differences between the 997.1 and 997.2 are significant. The new one handles better, is obviously faster and the creature comforts are amazing...but at the same time, the 997.1 sounded better (the sport exhaust on that thing was amazing), it felt more raw and actually felt "lighter" than the 997.2 and I miss the old one as much as I love the new one. I felt like Steve McQueen in that thing. Damn, does Porsche know how to market! (Now, as a separate issue, I also miss the 6 speed manual of my C4S except in bad SoCal traffic...there's just no feeling like rowing a 911 even though I realize the PDK is technically superior.)

So....my view, for what it's worth, on the debate between the 997 and the 991 is that it's a great time and a great discussion but that there are simply no losers...whether you love a 991 or a 997 S or a turbo or GTS is entirely a matter of preference and we're all lucky to be part of the amazing legacy that comes with driving a 911. These cars are all wonderful machines--every one of them--and I hope everyone enjoys their experience!

spourreza

Wow. Well said. Done.

rodsky

Where are the pics man? I think the GTS is awesome, and a great choice. I love the 997.2, to the point I don't have the usual new car itch even with the 991 out. It would cost me $50k to upgrade a 16,000 miles 997.2S to a 991S. Not going to do it. I would almost consider paying $25k more for a GTS but even that doesn't make too much sense. So staying put for now and actually pretty happy. The GTS has a great **** though and with PSE standard, what's not to like!

alexb76

I am sorry... let me understand this, you got TWO GTS cars?! One GTS, another GTS4???

JonasJ

pretty sure that's not the case

Mike in CA

One is a Cayenne GTS....

Mike in CA

Nice! Welcome!

sandwedge

Done? Or the first page of another 12 page 991 vs. 997 thread? Should be entertaining as usual. The 991 has battery powered steering in case that's not clear.

alexb76

Oh ok... Cayenne! I just got extremely jealous for a second!

Can keep Cayenne *GTS*...

gota911

Jackson,

Welcome to Rennlist. Conciser adding the Sharkweerks center muffler by-pass (replacement) pipes. It allows the true PSE sound to come alive.

Sharkwerks.com 997.2 Center Muffler By-Pass

GSIRM3

To OP, great perspective on the various 911's. We are lucky to be driving any of them.

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Zeus993

Yep. I agree fully. They're all great great cars and we are fortunate. Even just booting around the city, taking the back roads and bridges etc... is fun. Welcome Jackson22!

Palmbeacher

Better to say "measurable" than "significant" which is entirely subjective. Certainly it's measurable that generations have been getting faster, with ride and handling capabilities revised accordingly. Much of the latter is to the credit of computer-aided adaptive technology. The newer technology also makes it possible for less-skilled drivers to access more of the car's potential without ending up in the weeds. Each successive generation has become more refined, but for many of us, a certain grittiness and lack of refinement are part and parcel of the thrill and excitement of driving a Porsche, and we lament the continual polishing of its rough edges. Having driven a 997.2 I feel it gives up very little to the 997.1, and offers in return what may prove to be a more reliable long-term powerplant. I detest the shape of the taillights, but admittedly it was a minor gaffe in Porsche's unnecessary effort to distinguish the generation.

The 991, which I have also driven, is another story entirely. It is without a doubt a brilliant automobile. But for me it has strayed a leap too far from the unique, iconic and perhaps mildly anachronistic sports-car character which distinguishes a 911 from other European high-priced high-performance cars, and I would not buy one. At least not at this point. In five years time when my 997.1 warranty runs out and I'm faced with the economic reality of choosing a replacement, and when I will also officially be a senior citizen, perhaps the 991 will be just the right choice for me: something that looks like a Porsche but drives like a Jag.

TKO

Jackson,

Welcome and congrats on your GTS! Just one word of advice ..... TUBI.