Worth Replacing?
10-05-2015, 11:59 PM
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Worth Replacing?
My Emily's, 2006 C4S, heart finally gave out. After 140K fun, exciting, blood pumping miles, It finally succumbed to an glorious end. The engine finally gave out on an high speed run. Yes, I can baby the car. But it's meant to be driven!!!!
Question I have is is it worth spending $25k replacing just the engine? (labor+engine) What engine options do I have? Can I put a GT3 engine into a Tip C4S? Convert it to a GT3? Worth the repair? Use it as paperweight? Wouldn't sell it. She and I have a lot of memories together. I kept her and divorced my wife
Anybody here have their engine replaced and enjoying it? Love to hear some suggestions and feedback...
Regards,
Peter
Question I have is is it worth spending $25k replacing just the engine? (labor+engine) What engine options do I have? Can I put a GT3 engine into a Tip C4S? Convert it to a GT3? Worth the repair? Use it as paperweight? Wouldn't sell it. She and I have a lot of memories together. I kept her and divorced my wife
Anybody here have their engine replaced and enjoying it? Love to hear some suggestions and feedback...
Regards,
Peter
10-06-2015, 12:07 AM
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Get a 4.0 liter engine. I don't think a GT3 motor is a drop in given the cooling systems are different for it and I'm guessing the ECU is too and sensors, than on the S. But that's just a guess.
10-06-2015, 12:10 AM
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Well, $25k wouldn't get you into a 997 at all, never mind one with a 0 or low miles engine Sorry to hear she let go, but if the rest of the car is in great shape (including suspension) it might be worth replacing the motor.
I recall threads about some shops building up motors. Sharkwerks in NorCAL are pretty well known, and I'm sure there are lots of options in SoCAL too.
Good luck!
Sorry to hear she let go, but if the rest of the car is in great shape (including suspension) it might be worth replacing the motor. I recall threads about some shops building up motors. Sharkwerks in NorCAL are pretty well known, and I'm sure there are lots of options in SoCAL too.
Good luck!
10-06-2015, 12:27 AM
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Burning Brakes
I am very sorry about your loss, and also immensely impressed with your attitude.
The only thing that could impress me more is if you tell me you caught the exact moment of failure in a photo that now graces your avatar.
What actually happened?
To your question - If an engine replacement would cost $25k, I think my preference would be to sell the car for parts or a roller, and look for a 2009/10 997.2. The price differential between the 2 options may not be that great. Just my 2c.
The only thing that could impress me more is if you tell me you caught the exact moment of failure in a photo that now graces your avatar.
What actually happened?
To your question - If an engine replacement would cost $25k, I think my preference would be to sell the car for parts or a roller, and look for a 2009/10 997.2. The price differential between the 2 options may not be that great. Just my 2c.
10-06-2015, 12:29 AM
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i was going to say something similar. you've had tons of adventures with this car... id take the 25k and move onto the next one. if you had the car for barely any time and the car had very little milage that would be a totally different story.
I am very sorry about your loss, and also immensely impressed with your attitude.
The only thing that could impress me more is if you tell me you caught the exact moment of failure in a photo that now graces your avatar.
What actually happened?
To your question - If an engine replacement would cost $25k, I think my preference would be to sell the car for parts or a roller, and look for a 2009/10 997.2. The price differential between the 2 options may not be that great. Just my 2c.
The only thing that could impress me more is if you tell me you caught the exact moment of failure in a photo that now graces your avatar.
What actually happened?
To your question - If an engine replacement would cost $25k, I think my preference would be to sell the car for parts or a roller, and look for a 2009/10 997.2. The price differential between the 2 options may not be that great. Just my 2c.
10-06-2015, 12:54 AM
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I've heard some good things about www.flat6innovations.com
They will build you a new motor without the IMS bearing. They have lots of options to choose from - all sound like great setups.
They will build you a new motor without the IMS bearing. They have lots of options to choose from - all sound like great setups.
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10-06-2015, 02:21 AM
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If you love the car and the rest is in great shape, drop a Raby Motor in it. It'll be about $25k and probably more bulletproof than a used 997.2 with the amount of miles it would take to even out money wise. I'm all for just keeping it going if you like it. As a roller with 140k on it you won't get much for it. Is it worth $25k to get bak into it? sure the gear box may let go at some point but then just deal with that, etc...
It's till cheaper than trading up. And if the PDK fails, you're in the hole like $15k.
It's till cheaper than trading up. And if the PDK fails, you're in the hole like $15k.
10-06-2015, 02:32 AM
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$12,999 Obo
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-99...386?nav=SEARCH
$13,999 Obo
http://m.ebay.com/itm/08-Porsche-Car...999?nav=SEARCH
Maybe you need to get a quote from a different place.Labor should not be near $10k.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-99...386?nav=SEARCH
$13,999 Obo
http://m.ebay.com/itm/08-Porsche-Car...999?nav=SEARCH
Maybe you need to get a quote from a different place.Labor should not be near $10k.
10-06-2015, 02:36 AM
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I agree, there should be more options between a brand new motor and selling the car for parts. I would either look into re-building the existing engine (Depending on the extend of the damages) or get a used low mileage engine from a dismantler.
10-06-2015, 03:40 AM
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I am very sorry about your loss, and also immensely impressed with your attitude.
The only thing that could impress me more is if you tell me you caught the exact moment of failure in a photo that now graces your avatar.
What actually happened?
To your question - If an engine replacement would cost $25k, I think my preference would be to sell the car for parts or a roller, and look for a 2009/10 997.2. The price differential between the 2 options may not be that great. Just my 2c.
The only thing that could impress me more is if you tell me you caught the exact moment of failure in a photo that now graces your avatar.
What actually happened?
To your question - If an engine replacement would cost $25k, I think my preference would be to sell the car for parts or a roller, and look for a 2009/10 997.2. The price differential between the 2 options may not be that great. Just my 2c.
Engines do not just "give out", specific parts break or wear, and which parts and how badly has a lot to do with deciding what to do about it. I don't see how anyone can answer the OP's question when for all we know it may just need the heads done.
10-06-2015, 10:09 AM
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Sorry to rain on the love fest but 140K miles is not much and quite awful in my book.
As others have read about my experiences, my 2000 S Boxster engine blew at 47K and the Porsche-replaced engine blew at 150K (197K on chassis). I faced the same question as Peter... Do I replace for around $25K, the engine in a high-mileage chassis or just sell it as a roller and move on.
My options were:
- a new engine replace by Porsche dealer for around $25K
- a rebuild by my indy who was not sure what it would cost as the damage was not known until they pull it apart, he estimated anywhere between $11-$20K
- a junk yard engine with unknowns.... I don't remember the cost, but the guy who purchased my Boxster as a roller did this for I think around $10K all in, is very happy and now has tons of track time on it.
- a Jake Raby rebuild for around $23K (don't remember exactly) that would get me all failure issues upgraded (this engine has multiple failure modes, not just the IMSB) and about 50 more HP.
I first decided on a Jake Raby rebuild. I phoned a few folks around the country, one guy who built racers, and they all had high praise for Jake's engines. But, Jake was backed up for 6 months at the time and I still had a problem putting that amount of money into a 197K miles chassis that was now about 13 years old. After doing my research, I found a 2009 C2S for 53K with 26K miles on it.... no one believed the amazing deal I got at the time.... so.... 25K for a killer beast but an old car or a modern car with the new, good engine (good meaning the new IMS-less DFI)? I chose the new to me 2009 C2S.
The bottom line for me, is I keep my cars a long long time and I saw the newer 2009 C2S as my ticket to another 10 to 15 years of ownership and I figured the Boxster would start to give me more problems down the road. I still think of what that car would have been like with that extra HP in such a light and nimble chassis.
I sold the roller for $3,300, DC Automotive was paying $3,000 for rollers with free pickup (they were very busy with all the carnage on the east coast at the time).
Edit: I didn't find the C2S until around 4-6 months after I sold the car as a roller. For that 4-6 months I drove my Mom's Camry.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
As others have read about my experiences, my 2000 S Boxster engine blew at 47K and the Porsche-replaced engine blew at 150K (197K on chassis). I faced the same question as Peter... Do I replace for around $25K, the engine in a high-mileage chassis or just sell it as a roller and move on.
My options were:
- a new engine replace by Porsche dealer for around $25K
- a rebuild by my indy who was not sure what it would cost as the damage was not known until they pull it apart, he estimated anywhere between $11-$20K
- a junk yard engine with unknowns.... I don't remember the cost, but the guy who purchased my Boxster as a roller did this for I think around $10K all in, is very happy and now has tons of track time on it.
- a Jake Raby rebuild for around $23K (don't remember exactly) that would get me all failure issues upgraded (this engine has multiple failure modes, not just the IMSB) and about 50 more HP.
I first decided on a Jake Raby rebuild. I phoned a few folks around the country, one guy who built racers, and they all had high praise for Jake's engines. But, Jake was backed up for 6 months at the time and I still had a problem putting that amount of money into a 197K miles chassis that was now about 13 years old. After doing my research, I found a 2009 C2S for 53K with 26K miles on it.... no one believed the amazing deal I got at the time.... so.... 25K for a killer beast but an old car or a modern car with the new, good engine (good meaning the new IMS-less DFI)? I chose the new to me 2009 C2S.
The bottom line for me, is I keep my cars a long long time and I saw the newer 2009 C2S as my ticket to another 10 to 15 years of ownership and I figured the Boxster would start to give me more problems down the road. I still think of what that car would have been like with that extra HP in such a light and nimble chassis.
I sold the roller for $3,300, DC Automotive was paying $3,000 for rollers with free pickup (they were very busy with all the carnage on the east coast at the time).
Edit: I didn't find the C2S until around 4-6 months after I sold the car as a roller. For that 4-6 months I drove my Mom's Camry.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Last edited by Bruce In Philly; 10-06-2015 at 12:39 PM.
10-06-2015, 02:19 PM
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There's no way to go from an '06 roller to a 997.2 for much less than double the cost of a new engine. And any 997.2 today is going to depreciate at least another $25K so it's not like the money isn't being burned up either way. If my engine blows I'm inclined to replace it, because I like the way the car looks, drives and sounds better than a .2 or 991, but that's just my personal feeling.