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Im sorry but no 992 does it for me. Its a big fat bloated GT car (you really cant honestly call it a sports car anymore). The GT department can work their magic and do some amazing things, but they are starting from a very much sub-optimal basic platform. Their hands are tied.
356 guys complain about aricooled cars.
Aircooled guys complain about waterpumpers.
NA waterpumper guys complain about turbos.
Soon, turbo guys will complain about hybrids.
I don't think Walter Rorhrl does propaganda. Our own @mooty swears by the 992 GT too. None of it takes away from the spectacular 997 GT3s.
Take your 997.2 and write down the delta from the beginning of the day to the end of the day.
Then do the same thing with a 992…
I would wager a 20-30% improvement in the 997 and maybe 10-15% in a 992
why?
because “you drive a 997 and a 992 drives you”
clearly one is better car, but is it better for me…
I tend to see it that way. If you are at the top of your game, a better engineered car makes sense. If you want to learn how to drive, starting with the basics in an unassisted car is a better platform.
I tend to see it that way. If you are at the top of your game, a better engineered car makes sense. If you want to learn how to drive, starting with the basics in an unassisted car is a better platform.
yea I might be exaggerating to make a point, I 100% know that in reality if I had a coach next to me in a 992 it would go something like “hey you know you can take that turn 50mph more and not even try and still be only 7/10”
Take your 997.2 and write down the delta from the beginning of the day to the end of the day.
Then do the same thing with a 992…
I would wager a 20-30% improvement in the 997 and maybe 10-15% in a 992
why?
because “you drive a 997 and a 992 drives you”
clearly one is better car, but is it better for me…
I agree 100%. The 7.2 is my track car for that very reason. However, the ST is not a track car. I have a 992 T and I love that car for road trips in a way the 997 could never match. There is no better. There's just different.
I’m sure unpopular opinion on a 997 forum but it’s chocolate and vanilla ice cream argument. I’ve never driven a 992 s/t (I’m guessing not many have) but I did own a 7-4.0 and I’d take a leap that 992 s/t is different than a 7-4.0 and EPIC all the same.
and calling one better or worse is the chocolate or vanilla argument.
"S/T" is hyperbole by Porsche. The original ST was a compact lightweight designed for racing, the new S/T is a big, luxury, road sports car. By modern road car standards the S/T is admirably light but not to the point that it should reference the ST. Perhaps Porsche means it is an S version of the Touring but given the similarity to the 991 R, which played similarly loose with Porsche heritage, I doubt it. It is like if Porsche had called the 991 and 2 RS "RSR". That said, I'm sure it is a brilliant car.
The only later model GT 911 than my 997 4.0 that I have driven is the 991.1 RS, which was bland by comparison. From what I have read it sounds like the GT department has since reintroduced more feedback and made the R and S/T more playful. It will be fascinating to see how the steering, gearshift and handling involvement of the S/T compares to the 997 4.0. I very much doubt it will feel as raw or have as much traditional 911 handling character but that is a matter of personal preference (I love it). What I know I would like about the S/T is the extra luggage space for touring.
Last edited by turbofreeFLAT6; 12-24-2023 at 07:25 AM.
Bingo, I would never sell my 4L for an S/T....the only car I would sell it for would be a CGT.
Likewise. If only I had listened to myself in 2014 when I said to my wife with trepidation, 'the CGT is so cheap compared to other hypercars it has to be a good investment; I really should buy one', but shied away because of the impracticality and maintenance costs. As it turned out the costs were insignificant when compared to subsequent appreciation and for me it remains The One.
Lost opportunities aside, while my 4.0 was in for service this year I had a good look at a 992 RS in the showroom. It looked spectacular (apart from too much black plastic and the rear discs being dwarfed by the 21" wheels). Then I saw my 4.0 being driven past and its relative compactness and simplicity looked so classic I fell in love all over again. The S/T looks very good but not spectacular or classic.
Last edited by turbofreeFLAT6; 12-25-2023 at 05:55 AM.
Having driven both, it is not even close. S/T is a great modern car, but no one in their right mind would ever pick the S/T over the 4.0. I can't count how many times friends have raved about their 991/992 GT3 variants, then drove my 997.2 RS and came away gobsmacked. Yes, the 992 is easier to live with day to day, but as a driving machine, the 997 is the ultimate modern 911 Porsche.
Having driven both, it is not even close. S/T is a great modern car, but no one in their right mind would ever pick the S/T over the 4.0. I can't count how many times friends have raved about their 991/992 GT3 variants, then drove my 997.2 RS and came away gobsmacked. Yes, the 992 is easier to live with day to day, but as a driving machine, the 997 is the ultimate modern 911 Porsche.
What were the differences between S/T and 997? (engine power curve and inertia and sound at idle and throughout the rev range; steering weight, feel, feedback and directness; gear change; power-on and -off understeer and oversteer, slideabilty, feeling of perching on the outside rear when accelerating hard out of a corner, bobbing, lack of inertia etc...)
Likewise. If only I had listened to myself in 2014 when I said to my wife with trepidation, 'the CGT is so cheap compared to other hypercars it has to be a good investment; I really should buy one', but shied away because of the impracticality and maintenance costs. As it turned out the costs were insignificant when compared to subsequent appreciation and for me it remains The One.
Lost opportunities aside, while my 4.0 was in for service this year I had a good look at a 992 RS in the showroom. It looked spectacular (apart from too much black plastic and the rear discs being dwarfed by the 21" wheels). Then I saw my 4.0 being driven past and its relative compactness and simplicity looked so classic I fell in love all over again. The S/T looks very good but not spectacular or classic.
I missed out on a 2005 Silver CGT in Nov 2020 for $699k by 1 day, as we all know prices skyrocketed past $1m since then.
10-28-2023, 01:11 PM
That's all folks.
