Carrera GT

And if a frog, he had wings, he would not bump his *** when he hops.

Snowboarder54

Now there is a saying I havn't heard in about 40 years! That was one my fathers favorites!!

quickxotica

What I meant to say above was that with the Cayman R's standard equipment and price, it really erodes the value proposition of the base 997.2 for everyone except folks who need the back seats. If you were to try to equip a base 997.2 similarly to the CR (buckets, LSD, -20mm suspension, 19s, painted interior bits, etc) you get to $90k MSRP for a car that is alot heavier and only has 15hp more compared the CR which is at $70k. So, if someone wants a NEW P-car under $100k, and they don't need back seats, the CR is actually a $20k "steal" compared to the base 997. This problem would have been worse if they had made the CR better (even if doing so used up some of that $20k headroom).

Seperately, the Carrera will always have a lock on the p-car buyer who needs occasional-use back seats (and there are a lot of those folks).

And you're right, the CR will probably also steal some buyer from other brands too... lotus perhaps? Maybe some BMW M cars too. I shouldn't have used the word "every" in my post.

stevecolletti

+1
As it is, most 911s have been sold on image/prestige and reliability/drivabilty (versus other top-tier sports/exotic cars). From what I've read, prior to PDK availability, more Turbo Tips (a terrible automatic) were sold than Turbo manuals. Even now, many 911 buyers are not happy with GT3-levels of 'refinement' (NVH).

Getting past these issues is a lot easier when the product isn't $100K. And it isn't like Panamera and Cayenne aren't stealing sales from less sporty 911s, even though they both increase the marque's penetration.

Z356

I got an email last night from a friend who attended Wednesday night's Porsche party at the LA Auto Show. He sent me a photo of the MSRP info display in front of the world premiere Peridot Metallic Cayman R that reads "MY2012", not MY2011. I sent that photo to my dealer and this morning PCNA confirmed to him that the Cayman R will be a MY2012, not a MY2011. MY dealer will be able to 'custom order' MY2012 Cayman R for his customers starting with the next allocation batch he will get from PCNA in January.

So that means (I believe) we will see current Boxster/Cayman platform continue 'as is' for MY2012. And that might mean we will also see a MY2012 Boxster Spyder too. Because of this new information (Cayman R will be a MY2012), I believe we can expect to see the new Boxster/Cayman platform as a MY2013 (not a MY2012) that will probably be announced late in 2011 and produced/delivered starting in spring of 2012 an an 'early' model introduction. z356 (Montecito/Santa Barbara on way to LA Auto Show)

GrantG

I'm not sure if that is a good assumption. It is common for Porsche to offer old and new generations in the same model year (i.e. 2005 996 GT3 and Turbo S at same time as 2005 997 Carrera).

mooty

quickxotica.
i got it now.
yes, cay is quite the bargain comparde to 997's if rear seats aren't needed.

but i wont torture my kids with 997 back seats ;0-)

micahbones

Cayman R can now be built on P-car website, & amazingly the Peridot metallic is not an upcharge (not that I like it, should have offered it in a unique non-metallic color)...but adding weight with A/C will cost ya' $1760.

aussie jimmy

that's like a chatreuse green.

IanM

The weight savings isn't bad...but 10hp more...really? That's only a 3% increase, totally irrelevant. It's an insult to people who know anything about power to brag about that. How about let's try to (at very minimum) meet the 100hp/litre mark...and make it a 3.8L. Then we'd have something to talk about. I'm sure many of us are tired of the so-called need to keep the Cayman slower than the 911.

What shall we talk about now? The existence of a Porsche SUV? The styling of the back end of the Panamera?

PogueMoHone

The Cayman R is a momentum car...the increased speed is in the "incredible" suspension. Most won't even approach its limits never mind the HP!

Spend some money on PSDS and learn how to use the momentum, it is cheaper than Porsche HP.

Joe S.

Color comparision to chartruese..

NVRANUF

.....and +.2L and +50hp and -200lbs..... =

Carrera GT

That would all seem very good and do-able, except Porsche has nothing in the parts bin to shed 200lbs off the 3.8 RS.

ir_fuel

15" wheels and the rear brakes of an old 911 might be a good start