Rumormill - 991 GT3 to come with PDK only
06-08-2012, 04:27 PM
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06-08-2012, 06:30 PM
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Never understood the need for / existence of rumors like this (from the media). Why worry about something when Porsche hasn't said anything about it yet. Let's wait until they announce, then we can all pile on it and whine and complain. 
06-08-2012, 06:41 PM
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No manual for future GT cars is actually excellent news for us. Our cars will retain values much better. Not that I care, as mine is not for sale unless I torn my hamstrings.
06-08-2012, 08:51 PM
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The prize is the look on your face when you think because you got a PDK you won't get manhandled by some skill behind the wheel of a manual.
Still have not seen talented drivers at the track regularly with PDK. Because most of them don't want it. And that won't change.
06-08-2012, 09:20 PM
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The prize is the look on your face when you think because you got a Porsche you won't get manhandled by some skill behind the wheel of a BMW.
I predict the vast majority will buy the fastest gt car available. Slower guys with the manuals can run in the special needs group.
06-08-2012, 09:49 PM
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Or maybe because PDK has only been around, relatively, a very short time and also because no track specific cars like the GT's are available with it....yet.
06-08-2012, 09:51 PM
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06-08-2012, 10:35 PM
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Again, do your homework.
The better drivers will still be in manuals for the most part for many years to come. Most of the people pining for pdk are the backmarkers anyways. Look at the fast GT3 guys in this forum, how many are Pdk homers? Not many.
And finally a little reverse logic common sense says that sense DE is not about the fastest lap.time and the people are there for.the enjoyment and manual is more enjoyable, that everyone will not jump ship for Pdk.
On top of that hardcore track guys will not want to eat the cost of out of warranty repairs on Pdk units which will always cost a ton compared to a manual.
Fail.
06-09-2012, 12:37 AM
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Look at the fast GT3 guys in this forum, how many are Pdk homers? Not many.
And finally a little reverse logic common sense says that sense DE is not about the fastest lap.time and the people are there for.the enjoyment and manual is more enjoyable, that everyone will not jump ship for Pdk.
And finally a little reverse logic common sense says that sense DE is not about the fastest lap.time and the people are there for.the enjoyment and manual is more enjoyable, that everyone will not jump ship for Pdk.
I could be wrong, but I think the "it's more enjoyable" argument might not play as well in the long run for track cars as it does over on the 997 forum for street cars. Trackers are always looking for the latest performance upgrade and PDK is a big one; it's enjoyable to go faster than the other guy too. No disrespect to anyone who prefers a MT...I get it, I've been there...but the added performance may be more of a temptation than some people think.
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06-09-2012, 12:47 AM
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Trackers are always looking for the latest performance upgrade and PDK is a big one; it's enjoyable to go faster than the other guy too. No disrespect to anyone who prefers a MT...I get it, I've been there...but the added performance may be more of a temptation than some people think.
06-09-2012, 10:36 AM
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How many fast GT3 guys on the forum have driven PDK equipped GT3s so as to be able to make a rational decision about whether they are any good or not? Oh right, there aren't any PDK equipped GT3s.......
I could be wrong, but I think the "it's more enjoyable" argument might not play as well in the long run for track cars as it does over on the 997 forum for street cars. Trackers are always looking for the latest performance upgrade and PDK is a big one; it's enjoyable to go faster than the other guy too. No disrespect to anyone who prefers a MT...I get it, I've been there...but the added performance may be more of a temptation than some people think.
I could be wrong, but I think the "it's more enjoyable" argument might not play as well in the long run for track cars as it does over on the 997 forum for street cars. Trackers are always looking for the latest performance upgrade and PDK is a big one; it's enjoyable to go faster than the other guy too. No disrespect to anyone who prefers a MT...I get it, I've been there...but the added performance may be more of a temptation than some people think.
Generic statements like that make me think you are just guessing what you think guys like and don't actually spend me at the track.
06-09-2012, 11:52 AM
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Haha- I'll take the manual. These cars are being used at driver's schools. Manual is more fun to me. I'm sure there will be guys in both camps. If PDKer's are that much faster, guess I will just have to get my arm ready to point by.
06-09-2012, 01:55 PM
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You still have no clue, most of even the talented guys are still paying to drive, even in the pro series.
Again, do your homework.
The better drivers will still be in manuals for the most part for many years to come. Most of the people pining for pdk are the backmarkers anyways. Look at the fast GT3 guys in this forum, how many are Pdk homers? Not many.
And finally a little reverse logic common sense says that sense DE is not about the fastest lap.time and the people are there for.the enjoyment and manual is more enjoyable, that everyone will not jump ship for Pdk.
On top of that hardcore track guys will not want to eat the cost of out of warranty repairs on Pdk units which will always cost a ton compared to a manual.
Fail.
Again, do your homework.
The better drivers will still be in manuals for the most part for many years to come. Most of the people pining for pdk are the backmarkers anyways. Look at the fast GT3 guys in this forum, how many are Pdk homers? Not many.
And finally a little reverse logic common sense says that sense DE is not about the fastest lap.time and the people are there for.the enjoyment and manual is more enjoyable, that everyone will not jump ship for Pdk.
On top of that hardcore track guys will not want to eat the cost of out of warranty repairs on Pdk units which will always cost a ton compared to a manual.
Fail.
The only area where the manual has the advantage is in the realm of nostalgia.
What do the cup cars and rsrs come with? If they could go faster with a stick shift they'd be equipped as such. Automated transmissions are faster, more efficient and arguably more fun. The market demands it. Porsche is following suit.
And you know what's really fun? Winning. The manual transmission has been driving down the road to extinction carrying with it the DVD, MySpace, landlines, Paris Hilton, 9to5, halogens, etc.
If PDK is this good now, imagine the progress made in even just a few more years. I understand and enjoy the 6speed manual, but soon it'll be time to move onward. The entire driving package will be designed around it. Just win.