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08-21-2007, 03:12 AM
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Yes, it has been a nightmare. Premiere did what they could with polishing, but (they did a great job and did make it look a lot better) they were just too deep. The only way to get rid of it completely is to get it repainted and that is definitely not something I want to do. Premiere did say that the film will hide some of it and may only be visible if I look at it from 6 inches away. I may just go back to Premiere to have them put the clear shield on. Go with someone with lots of experience. I went with this other company based on one recommendation and I have to admit, it was dumb. Hope you have better luck why2bnd.
08-21-2007, 01:38 PM
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08-22-2007, 12:22 AM
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It seems like 3M is the choice for durability from what I've read in this thread. Would it stand up to keying? I live close to a college and am contemplating buying a 997 turbo, but worry about vandalism.
08-22-2007, 12:57 AM
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Sound advice: if your parking your 911 in an area where you are worried about being keyed, leave it in your garage and take the dd. Nothing protects against sharp object on the paint.
08-24-2007, 12:24 PM
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To the original poster, what is more important is the experience that the installer has under his belt. Many people would like to get into the debate of film X is better than Y, while assuming that the installation is equal.
There are pros and cons to all films and to say that one film is superior to all is very misleading. Although, we prefer Ventureshield (clearcoated version), it does not mean that 3M and other brands are bad per say. We just prefer the clarity of Venture over the others. Protective capabilities are the same as well as durability. No film is perfect....3M has changed their film several times, so has Avery and Venture....which means if they were absolutely the "best" they would have stuck with their original formulation. They are not. If an installer tells you that it is, then he either has not had enough years in the business or they are just naive enough to believe the manufacturer's bs.
Going back to the installation factor, we have seen more than our fair share of hacked jobs on the market as mr997 has so unfortunately experienced. However, it is the reality of a any market that shows promise. Naturally, there will be plenty of inexperienced people getting into the business as is for paint protection film. Not to say that mr997 did not do his part in researching, but he believed he was obtaining unbiased information. We can say that there are installations we see on a weekly basis where the paint on customers' cars are damaged from lazy cleaning / prepping procedures on the paint (creating scratches and swirls) to deep razor cuts in paint (as is the case for mr997).
We are not going to speak publicly about who it was that damaged the paint on mr997's Turbo as that is not how we operate. If anyone is interseted in finding more information about his car, please email him directly.
Just do your part in researching for a competent installer as it is a reality that there are many hackers out there.
There are pros and cons to all films and to say that one film is superior to all is very misleading. Although, we prefer Ventureshield (clearcoated version), it does not mean that 3M and other brands are bad per say. We just prefer the clarity of Venture over the others. Protective capabilities are the same as well as durability. No film is perfect....3M has changed their film several times, so has Avery and Venture....which means if they were absolutely the "best" they would have stuck with their original formulation. They are not. If an installer tells you that it is, then he either has not had enough years in the business or they are just naive enough to believe the manufacturer's bs.
Going back to the installation factor, we have seen more than our fair share of hacked jobs on the market as mr997 has so unfortunately experienced. However, it is the reality of a any market that shows promise. Naturally, there will be plenty of inexperienced people getting into the business as is for paint protection film. Not to say that mr997 did not do his part in researching, but he believed he was obtaining unbiased information. We can say that there are installations we see on a weekly basis where the paint on customers' cars are damaged from lazy cleaning / prepping procedures on the paint (creating scratches and swirls) to deep razor cuts in paint (as is the case for mr997).
We are not going to speak publicly about who it was that damaged the paint on mr997's Turbo as that is not how we operate. If anyone is interseted in finding more information about his car, please email him directly.
Just do your part in researching for a competent installer as it is a reality that there are many hackers out there.
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08-24-2007, 04:45 PM
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So to the original posted question, you have your answer (perhaps). The point was not to say get your car to NorCal, it was to get some juice going to help you. Seems to me you got lots of info so you can ask the right questions. Good luck.
08-25-2007, 11:16 AM
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i think there's some general misunderstanding about films in genearal.
one, get a good installers, it makes a WORLD of difference.
two, each film has its own characteristics. i had over 15 cars filmed and had avery, venture, 3m... you know what, they all suck, but they offer some protection. it's like condom. they all suck, but if you go naked and partied too much...... well...
three, films are for PROTECTION, not beauty enhancement.
four, i saw ppl wondering if FILM protects from keying and other vandal acts. well, maybe they will maybe they wont. that's not what it's for. films are for road rach, rocks (small one's) and such.
five, films dont and shouldn't last for ever. my films get chewed after 12 months. on my lotus, i need new sideskirt films every 3 month, i kid you not. if you dont chew up the films, then you probably didn't need them in the first place. if you tail gate everything in site like i do, you buy new film every year.
it lessens the damage but it aint no miracle drug.
one, get a good installers, it makes a WORLD of difference.
two, each film has its own characteristics. i had over 15 cars filmed and had avery, venture, 3m... you know what, they all suck, but they offer some protection. it's like condom. they all suck, but if you go naked and partied too much...... well...
three, films are for PROTECTION, not beauty enhancement.
four, i saw ppl wondering if FILM protects from keying and other vandal acts. well, maybe they will maybe they wont. that's not what it's for. films are for road rach, rocks (small one's) and such.
five, films dont and shouldn't last for ever. my films get chewed after 12 months. on my lotus, i need new sideskirt films every 3 month, i kid you not. if you dont chew up the films, then you probably didn't need them in the first place. if you tail gate everything in site like i do, you buy new film every year.
it lessens the damage but it aint no miracle drug.
08-25-2007, 11:18 AM
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I mentioned earlier that the topic of this thread was clear inquires not installers. Now after reading over the last few pages I'm glad there is installer information bad/good to help all of us who have yet to install a clear paint product.
I had no idea that the installation of this product would have it's night mares to the degree that mr977 suffered. Maybe I will have to visit my friends in Sf for a short vacation and have Premier do the clear then have Alex tune it..........
I had no idea that the installation of this product would have it's night mares to the degree that mr977 suffered. Maybe I will have to visit my friends in Sf for a short vacation and have Premier do the clear then have Alex tune it..........
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08-25-2007, 12:41 PM
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I see you are in the Bay Area. Who do you use if you do not mind me asking? I have not set an appointment with Premiere yet because I have one appointment to get a paint touch up guy to see if he could do something about those deep scratches from CSS's clearshield job. I would like the paint to be in as good condition as possible.
08-25-2007, 07:48 PM
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hi mr997, to change the subject here, it's really hard to find a good body shop in NorCal... I've tried, I really have. Let me know if you find someone good.
08-27-2007, 01:52 AM
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The point really is read the entire thread so as to get a handle on the discussion before you post.....
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Let me now follow up on some of the issues we have realized yesterday with myself and the owner of the CaymanS. We were both scheduled in yesterday and dropped the car off to get Premiere to look over the shield. Well, let me say here that I am now ever more disappointed and extremely angry. For me I got the 3M shield with the installer you recommended Colm as did the CaymanS owner. His had 4 spots that looked like some rocks broke through the clear shield, so he was pretty disappointed with it after only 4000 miles. For me I have not put as many miles on it, so do not know if my 3m shield would end up looking like his. BUT Premiere first told him that he has some exacto cuts into his paint before they took the shield off. Peeling up some of these areas, they pointed out to us the exactoed areas. Now let me note now, we were present during this whole time, so we're sure it was not put on by Premiere. Another person from Premiere began to peel off the shield on my car and found the same placesdamaged!!
Paint Damage
2006 CaymanS - driver rearview mirror cover (3 inches), one light, nose air vent openings 4 inch to 8 inches (yes, in inches!)
2007 My Turbo - lower air valence (6 inches), one light sliced deep, washer area under the light (1 inch), and the surrounding area around the round circle cover on the nose
I guess it came down to this for me. I've been lurking here for a while now. Got plenty of valuable information for my Carrera, heard a lot about Premiere since I registered here (but bc I was over in the East Coast, I couldn't use their service). I chose to go with your shield installer because you were talking abut them highly and the 3M bra as the #1 choice for you. By the way, I did not see any issues with what Premiere did for you at that show. I contacted Premiere to see if they could use 3M and they said no bc of how visible it is. I decided to use CSS as you recommended, but now have realized it was a bad decision on my part. I should've listened to all of the glowing reviews of Premiere from this board - yeh, stupid me. If anyone would like to see the damage on our cars, please feel free to go to Premiere by the end of today. I would feel better if anyone can forgo the disappointment and frustration with this experience by learning from us. Premiere is polishing those places, but some are too deep. And no, I'm not going to repaint my 1000 mile new Turbo! fck! Abso-f*cking ridiculous! Colm, you should think twice about your guy. If you want, go to Premiere to see what your guy has done to our cars. Perhaps, you should look at yours as well. And for those who wants to know why not call the guys who did this? If you could put yourself in our shoes, it was difficult enough to first get an appointment and second to not get a call back for some of the bubbling, it would be a fruitless attempt. Personally, I'm not sure how or what I would say to them. So I'll just let the anger settle down first. On a lighter note, there was a stunning black RS at Premiere yesterday and the shield installation was impeccable. I'm not too familiar with taking pictures and getting them onto a forum, but the CaymanS owner did take a lot of pictures. If anyone is interested in seeing them, please privatemail me here and I'll get the pictures to you to get it on here.
Paint Damage
2006 CaymanS - driver rearview mirror cover (3 inches), one light, nose air vent openings 4 inch to 8 inches (yes, in inches!)
2007 My Turbo - lower air valence (6 inches), one light sliced deep, washer area under the light (1 inch), and the surrounding area around the round circle cover on the nose
I guess it came down to this for me. I've been lurking here for a while now. Got plenty of valuable information for my Carrera, heard a lot about Premiere since I registered here (but bc I was over in the East Coast, I couldn't use their service). I chose to go with your shield installer because you were talking abut them highly and the 3M bra as the #1 choice for you. By the way, I did not see any issues with what Premiere did for you at that show. I contacted Premiere to see if they could use 3M and they said no bc of how visible it is. I decided to use CSS as you recommended, but now have realized it was a bad decision on my part. I should've listened to all of the glowing reviews of Premiere from this board - yeh, stupid me. If anyone would like to see the damage on our cars, please feel free to go to Premiere by the end of today. I would feel better if anyone can forgo the disappointment and frustration with this experience by learning from us. Premiere is polishing those places, but some are too deep. And no, I'm not going to repaint my 1000 mile new Turbo! fck! Abso-f*cking ridiculous! Colm, you should think twice about your guy. If you want, go to Premiere to see what your guy has done to our cars. Perhaps, you should look at yours as well. And for those who wants to know why not call the guys who did this? If you could put yourself in our shoes, it was difficult enough to first get an appointment and second to not get a call back for some of the bubbling, it would be a fruitless attempt. Personally, I'm not sure how or what I would say to them. So I'll just let the anger settle down first. On a lighter note, there was a stunning black RS at Premiere yesterday and the shield installation was impeccable. I'm not too familiar with taking pictures and getting them onto a forum, but the CaymanS owner did take a lot of pictures. If anyone is interested in seeing them, please privatemail me here and I'll get the pictures to you to get it on here.
Sorry to have read about your horrible experience with the film installer that cut into the paint of your car. In December of last year, I took delivery of two cars that needed clear bra protection. I checked on the chat forums to get recommendations on who to use. There were a few people that did indeed have issues with cuts in their paint. The outfits that did their cars I stayed away from. The majority had the thumbs up for Premiere so that is where I went.
I am not in bed with Premiere so I can speak candidly without fear of creating a scandal. One car, when I took delivery, had 200 miles on it. It had the hood,full fenders,full front end and full sideview mirrors covered by Premiere. It now has nearly 8000 miles ,it is driven everywhere from San Jose to South San Francisco everyday and the front end of this car is PERFECT!!!!. I am very pleased with the long term protection the film gives and it is not easily seen. The car is silver. I do believe you will be happy with the results in the long term.
I had them do my other car as well and have also been pleased with that too.
What good is ultimate protection for paint if the compromise is: cut lines in your paint,orange peel texture, yellowing over time???
Not worth the hassle.
Too bad I was not in contact with you B4 your car went under the "Knife".
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10-14-2007, 06:58 PM
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I'm one of those that had my 997TT originally covered with 3M clear bra material by a local shop prior to having taken delivery. It did it's job but I was horrified to discover how much of a difference there was between the non-covered area and the covered area. The blue paint looked like a different hue of blue. This was caused by the "yellow" in the 3M film. Wanting to get something better, I heard about VentureShield and Premier. Since they're not in the Seattle area I looked for a local Ventureshield installer and thanks to my brother, I was able to find one, Metropolitan Detail. They took the 3M material off my car and replaced it with the Ventureshield material. I was absolutely blown away at how well the new material preserved the overall clarity of the Cobalt blue paint on my car. I drove for a fair number of months accumulating a fair number of miles before deciding to get my entire hood covered. I took it back to Metropolitan Detail again and they did a GREAT job covering my hood. I also had a chance to see the hood coverage on gradyex's 997Tt and it looks like Premier doesn't go quite as far up the hood. There's just over an inch exposed at the edges. As you can see in the picture below, Metropolitan Detail did a GREAT job covering my hood all the way up to the edge.
I plan to have them do my fenders soon. My Range Rover which is silver and currently has the 3M material in place shows obvious yellowing signs where the clear bra coverage is. It's my daily driver so it isn't as big an issue for me.
I plan to have them do my fenders soon. My Range Rover which is silver and currently has the 3M material in place shows obvious yellowing signs where the clear bra coverage is. It's my daily driver so it isn't as big an issue for me.
10-14-2007, 07:10 PM
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We have been covering full vehicles via full panels some 4 yrs ago, so there are vehicles hoods that are not covered entirely because of film size limitations. The hoods of the 997s are approximately 54"s in length and the largest rolls up until several months ago are at 50". Hoods that we have been covering since the master roll size have been increased are now covered just like yours jason.
Thank you all for your continued kind and honest statements. It is unfortunate that some vehicles do end up in the hands of some that should not be using a blade without the proper skills / experience as documented in mr997's case. For those further away from us, be sure to do your research and look at the final product on a car. That is certainly the best way to tell what it would like on your own car as atomic and others have shown.
Thank you all for your continued kind and honest statements. It is unfortunate that some vehicles do end up in the hands of some that should not be using a blade without the proper skills / experience as documented in mr997's case. For those further away from us, be sure to do your research and look at the final product on a car. That is certainly the best way to tell what it would like on your own car as atomic and others have shown.
10-14-2007, 07:20 PM
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I stand corrected, Sam. I had the pleasure of having met you at the recent Bimmerfest although I'm not sure if you'd remember having met me. In any case, I'm definitely a believer in the Ventureshield material now.