Yellowing Carbon Fiber - Page 13

autosea · 09-05-2007, 02:02 AM

I am sorry but I feel that this thread has gone far enough off track. This thread should be about the aesthetic yellowing of the CGT's carbon fiber. If you wish to discuss if carbon fiber is a good building material please start a new thread. In the past several pages nothing has been mentioned about the important topic at hand.

Thanks.

And who made you the moderator. Your not even a Rennlist member. The boat builder has the experence and skills and has been around composites longer than your 22 yrs of age.

964RSphil · 09-05-2007, 08:56 AM

The Ruler of Dubai's son's car...

Looks yellow under the light

macfly · 09-17-2007, 02:08 AM

I didn't read this entire thread, so if this is mentioned forgive me, but the Bugatti, the Enzo and the CGT carbon tubs are all made at/by the same supplier in Italy, so buying a Veyron to get away fom this issue will be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

I do hope all you CGT owners find a happy outcome in this sad tale, good luck.

SciFrog · 09-17-2007, 12:02 PM

Saw one, it didn't look bad with the yellowing, actually made the car look "racier"...

Hacker-Pschorr · 09-17-2007, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander Stemer

Let's wait for about 10 years and reevaluate this issue.

I guess you missed the example of the McLaren ROAD CAR how many times now?

They are now 11 years old, zero issues with the CF.

Bob Rouleau · 09-17-2007, 02:24 PM

Is yellowing an issue or is it merely cosmetic? The mcLarenm is hardly an example of a production car. Few built at a million a copy. Have to be returned to the FACTORY for service. Not convenient if you happen to be outside the UK.
I have no experience with CF parts except on aircraft. A stressed member made of CF is replaced (at stupid cost) if it is damaged. Again one cannot compare the cost of aircraft maintenance with a production car I think. A set of brake rotors on a private jet costs $100,000.

Best,

PogueMoHone · 09-17-2007, 02:41 PM

Based upon what I have seen to date (on my car and others) it doesn't even rise to the level of a cosmetic issue.

The original poster was to provide a copy of the response from Porsche but he has gone quiet.

Overblown emotional reactions (and perceived slights) are sometimes nothing more than a rationalization to pursue the latest whim.

Greg A · 09-17-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau

...Have to be returned to the FACTORY for service. Not convenient if you happen to be outside the UK...

Best,

There are authorized service facilities in the U.S.

Greg A

Bob Rouleau · 09-17-2007, 03:41 PM

Thanks Greg. That is a change from a while back. Where are they?

Greg A · 09-17-2007, 04:26 PM

Bob,

Oxnard, CA & NJ. They are BMW's facilities.

Greg A

sharkster · 09-21-2007, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macfly

I didn't read this entire thread, so if this is mentioned forgive me, but the Bugatti, the Enzo and the CGT carbon tubs are all made at/by the same supplier in Italy, so buying a Veyron to get away fom this issue will be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

I do hope all you CGT owners find a happy outcome in this sad tale, good luck.

I'm told that company is no longer around and the lost so much money on those three projects alone that it killed them

yetis · 09-21-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkster

I'm told that company is no longer around and the lost so much money on those three projects alone that it killed them

Not true, ATR is still alive and well.

http://www.atrgroup.it/eng/atrcomposites/index.htm

Snowboarder54 · 10-14-2007, 12:50 PM

lager99 · 10-14-2007, 08:07 PM

Not Acceptable...

porschemeister · 10-16-2007, 01:40 AM

I am also very interested what the outcome will be. I am in the market for a GT and have looked at several GT's owned by friends and the yellowing really disturbs me....

I am not a concours guy, but love to drive my cars and thought oh well a little yellowing no big deal, but seeing it in person it sucks really bad

Especially when you have carbon which looks normal right next to the yellowing stuff. The brace in the back is the worst.

How will this effect the market for these cars??? I think we are currently only seeing the tip of the iceberg and lots of owners are looking "the other way" right now because the car has so much to offer otherwise.

I guess time will tell.

09-17-2007, 02:24 PM	#186
Bob Rouleau Administrator Still plays with cars. Lifetime Rennlist Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 9,008	Is yellowing an issue or is it merely cosmetic? The mcLarenm is hardly an example of a production car. Few built at a million a copy. Have to be returned to the FACTORY for service. Not convenient if you happen to be outside the UK. I have no experience with CF parts except on aircraft. A stressed member made of CF is replaced (at stupid cost) if it is damaged. Again one cannot compare the cost of aircraft maintenance with a production car I think. A set of brake rotors on a private jet costs $100,000. Best, __________________ ..Bob Frozen North Rep & ceramic rotor roaster Hey, wait for me! racing.

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PogueMoHone Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,668	Based upon what I have seen to date (on my car and others) it doesn't even rise to the level of a cosmetic issue. The original poster was to provide a copy of the response from Porsche but he has gone quiet. Overblown emotional reactions (and perceived slights) are sometimes nothing more than a rationalization to pursue the latest whim. __________________ Never argue with idiots - first they drag you down to their level, then they beat you with experience. *********************** Sponsored by: Póg mo thóin Adventures

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09-05-2007, 02:02 AM	#181
autosea User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 65	I am sorry but I feel that this thread has gone far enough off track. This thread should be about the aesthetic yellowing of the CGT's carbon fiber. If you wish to discuss if carbon fiber is a good building material please start a new thread. In the past several pages nothing has been mentioned about the important topic at hand. Thanks. And who made you the moderator. Your not even a Rennlist member. The boat builder has the experence and skills and has been around composites longer than your 22 yrs of age.

09-05-2007, 08:56 AM	#182
964RSphil User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dubai Posts: 171	The Ruler of Dubai's son's car... Looks yellow under the light

09-17-2007, 02:08 AM	#183
macfly User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: LA, CA Posts: 1,474	I didn't read this entire thread, so if this is mentioned forgive me, but the Bugatti, the Enzo and the CGT carbon tubs are all made at/by the same supplier in Italy, so buying a Veyron to get away fom this issue will be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I do hope all you CGT owners find a happy outcome in this sad tale, good luck.

09-17-2007, 12:02 PM	#184
SciFrog User Join Date: May 2005 Location: NY Posts: 261	Saw one, it didn't look bad with the yellowing, actually made the car look "racier"...

09-17-2007, 04:26 PM	#190
Greg A Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 380	Bob, Oxnard, CA & NJ. They are BMW's facilities. Greg A

10-14-2007, 08:07 PM	#194
lager99 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Red Deer, AB Posts: 66	Not Acceptable...

10-16-2007, 01:40 AM	#195
porschemeister Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: CA East Bay Posts: 172	I am also very interested what the outcome will be. I am in the market for a GT and have looked at several GT's owned by friends and the yellowing really disturbs me.... I am not a concours guy, but love to drive my cars and thought oh well a little yellowing no big deal, but seeing it in person it sucks really bad Especially when you have carbon which looks normal right next to the yellowing stuff. The brace in the back is the worst. How will this effect the market for these cars??? I think we are currently only seeing the tip of the iceberg and lots of owners are looking "the other way" right now because the car has so much to offer otherwise. I guess time will tell.