Yellowing Carbon Fiber

[f430]

Apparently cheap enough for GM to use on the corvette ZR-1

[EricB]

wow, just got thourgh reading most of the comments, als I can say is wow. I guess the Nevada Sun is really being a ham.

I wonder if this would detract from the future CGT re-sale value of this model in particular or even future CGT owner here...

apparently GM solved the CF yellowing issue with an additive that costs $60k per GALLON? what's up with that?

[RufMD]

Originally Posted by EricB

wow, just got thourgh reading most of the comments, als I can say is wow. I guess the Nevada Sun is really being a ham.

I wonder if this would detract from the future CGT re-sale value of this model in particular or even future CGT owner here...

apparently GM solved the CF yellowing issue with an additive that costs $60k per GALLON? what's up with that?

apparently not....in the time this "issue" surfaced, CGT's have only gone up, and considerably. Most buyers apparently feel this is a non-issue and only cosmetic...I agree.

Whatever happened to the doomsday crowd that predicted 200k CGT prices ? anyone heard from them ?

[Kuzi]

Ruf is right. In the time its taken me to search and find the CGT I wanted.........prices have risen at least 5%. I'm hoping I just got in on the ground floor.........cause since signing docs for mine, asking prices are creeping up toward msrp levels. Granted these are "asking" prices.........but still.........

[speedster 94]

It is easy to explain that prices will go up . 70 % of CGT sold in the USA .
With a weak Dollar , the whole world bought CGTs in the USA . Now the demand is much stronger than the Cars left in the USA .
I would not be surprised to see 400 K by end of the year .
harald

[db_gt3]

Originally Posted by TB993tt

I take your ocean swell and raise you at Beaufort 7
Boards used to often break in F7 and above environment, carbon fibre stopped all that. masts, extensions and booms -all 100% CF

Nice rig, whats that a 3.0? You guys get insane wind.

As for the carbon manufacturer; those guys are fags, they use all hand lay up. So much can go wrong with humans laying up. I am very skeptical of their capabilities. Marine applications use a filiment winding NC process for masts, very reliable.

[TB993tt]

Originally Posted by db_gt3

Nice rig, whats that a 3.0? .

Its a 4.1, 3.7 is about the smallest a 80kg/176lb person can use in big waves with 3.4 being the very smallest for flattish water

Originally Posted by db_gt3

You guys get insane wind. .

Indeed - its game on tomorrow - we sail at the circled spot, big waves come up the Irish sea. The 11DegC/52DegF is not quite so appealing tho'

Originally Posted by db_gt3

As for the carbon manufacturer; those guys are fags, they use all hand lay up. So much can go wrong with humans laying up. I am very skeptical of their capabilities. Marine applications use a filiment winding NC process for masts, very reliable.

Sorry for the gratuitous OT but other reliable extreme uses of CF do illustrate the ludicrousness of the yellowing issue on a $630K car (new in Europe price )

[db_gt3]

Originally Posted by TB993tt

Its a 4.1, 3.7 is about the smallest a 80kg/176lb person can use in big waves with 3.4 being the very smallest for flattish water
Indeed - its game on tomorrow - we sail at the circled spot, big waves come up the Irish sea. The 11DegC/52DegF is not quite so appealing tho'

Yea yea, you boys are hardcore; looks cold and lonely out there. Gotta pray "the warden" hasnt got your number out there. I'm usually on a 5.5 out here. If its really nuking we pull out the 4.7. Of course I only sail when its sunny and warm, this is malibu after all. Enjoy.

[PogueMoHone]

This is still a bullshit thread. tho OP has never posted his letter from Porsche, taken out the years worth of ads he was promising to do, covered legal fees or filed a lawsuit.

All those "exercised" want to focus on the negative.

As a sceptic (more of a cynic) in this case, I have to think it is a non-issue with lots of empty promises and threats that only serve to undermine the OPs credibility.

He was to post his letter from Porsche .. never did.

He was to advertise for a year.. never did

He was to file a lawsuit .. never did

He was to pick up legal fees for others .. never did

My guess, he wanted to sell the car after posting videos all over the internet (which did nothing for his resale value) and was unhappy with the market value of a "clapped out" car.. and wanted to find an excuse to make someone else to pay!

However, I can be shown to be wrong when the promised letter is posted, the ads are placed, legal costs covered and lawsuit filed.

I'm patient!

Again, I call BS on this thread!

Yellowing CF .... NOT!!!!

[autosea]

Originally Posted by Colm

This is still a bullshit thread. tho OP has never posted his letter from Porsche, taken out the years worth of ads he was promising to do, covered legal fees or filed a lawsuit.

All those "exercised" want to focus on the negative.

As a sceptic (more of a cynic) in this case, I have to think it is a non-issue with lots of empty promises and threats that only serve to undermine the OPs credibility.

He was to post his letter from Porsche .. never did.

He was to advertise for a year.. never did

He was to file a lawsuit .. never did

He was to pick up legal fees for others .. never did

My guess, he wanted to sell the car after posting videos all over the internet (which did nothing for his resale value) and was unhappy with the market value of a "clapped out" car.. and wanted to find an excuse to make someone else to pay!

However, I can be shown to be wrong when the promised letter is posted, the ads are placed, legal costs covered and lawsuit filed.

I'm patient!

Again, I call BS on this thread!

Yellowing CF .... NOT!!!!

I also think this is a bullshit thread. I am just one small person running one small measley composite company, by my self, but I call bullshit as well. Most important to me is by not following through and fighting Porsche to back their products. I also call bullshit on the posters of threads that have such comments as "What will the integraty of the carbon fiber body be like in ten years"Wake up. Carbon fiber is here to stay.
In 2007 we produced 100 million lbs. of Carbon Fiber
By 2014 we will be up to 93,450 metric tones(206.6 million lb.)
Wake up call. A $300 gallon clear coat will protect 12 Carrera GT's from UV Damage.
Look at my measley website www.autosearacing.com and Im sure that most of the negitive people will say that by fixing the Carrera GT , it has put a bastard back into your otherwise
flawless fleet, but it is not rocket science. If I can do it then anyone else can. The company should stand behind their product.
I say go after Porsche for no other reason than I think that yellowing carbon fiber represents work done by an Ass clown.

[GBGT]

Originally Posted by Colm

This is still a bullshit thread. tho OP has never posted his letter from Porsche, taken out the years worth of ads he was promising to do, covered legal fees or filed a lawsuit.

All those "exercised" want to focus on the negative.

As a sceptic (more of a cynic) in this case, I have to think it is a non-issue with lots of empty promises and threats that only serve to undermine the OPs credibility.

He was to post his letter from Porsche .. never did.

He was to advertise for a year.. never did

He was to file a lawsuit .. never did

He was to pick up legal fees for others .. never did

My guess, he wanted to sell the car after posting videos all over the internet (which did nothing for his resale value) and was unhappy with the market value of a "clapped out" car.. and wanted to find an excuse to make someone else to pay!

However, I can be shown to be wrong when the promised letter is posted, the ads are placed, legal costs covered and lawsuit filed.

I'm patient!

Again, I call BS on this thread!

Yellowing CF .... NOT!!!!

I would check yourself kid. The original poster didn't promise anything, making your post a bullshit post. I would think twice before you question my credibility.

As far as my opinion on the issue I also don't think it is a major issue. Any knowledgable person will tell you that the structural integrity of the carbon is the same either way. The car is an amazing car whos closest competition is triple its price. People need to stop complaining about a small issue on a very few cars that is strictly aesthetic on internal stuctural parts. No one has even bothered to suggest that the issue could be prevented by simply waxing or sealing the raw carbon surfaces to block the UV.

[PogueMoHone]

Originally Posted by VRAlexander

I will scan and post the letter on here next week..

For starters, "promise" might not be literally correct but you get the idea!

[GBGT]

Originally Posted by Colm

For starters, "promise" might not be literally correct but you get the idea!

By "OP" I thought you were referring to me; I didn't know you were talking a VRAlexander. I agree he hasen't followed up on what he said he would.

[GoOFy]

ohh soo this is where VR hangs out.

[detailjohn]

I would recommend to wax your carbon regularly, as it may slow the process.