Yellowing Carbon Fiber

[GBGT]

I recently sat in a Carrera GT with about 9000 miles on it. The car was trashed and must have spent a fare amount of time outside. The rear ground effects were bent. The engine comparntment was showing obvious signs of rust and corrosion.

When I sat in the interior the first thing I noticed, to my horror, was that all of the carbon fiber trim on the doors was YELLOW. Is this a problem among CGTs? What needs to be done to prevent this?

[Onibas]

WWWHHHOOO. First notice.
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Porsche now:
Cayenne Turbo. 2007.
Carrera GT. 2005.
996 TT S Cabrio. 2004.

[stefan einz]

That's sad to hear.

The technical manual says that the lacquer applied to the CfK is designed to prevent yellowing - perhaps the lacquer was damaged?

[GBGT]

I believe the car was left outside full time. It was for sale at a certain dealership in Miami...

[CameronKame]

I think I'm gonna be sick...

[VRAlexander]

My CGT has been turning Yellow for the past eight months!! I have brought this up to Porsche and they are not willing to stand behind their product...they are pointing fingers are the carbon manufacturer...It is so bad on my car that the rear engine sub-frame has turned yellow/orange as well... I am very dissapointed with PCNA!!!

I spoke with my service manager and he said that if Porsche was to warranty mine, they would have to warranty everyone's and thus would result in a HUGE monetary loss for them! As a result, I am selling my CGT and not picking up my GT3rs......Porsche has lost a repeat customer...

[fayence]

Originally Posted by VRAlexander

My CGT has been turning Yellow for the past eight months!! I have brought this up to Porsche and they are not willing to stand behind their product...they are pointing fingers are the carbon manufacturer...It is so bad on my car that the rear engine sub-frame has turned yellow/orange as well... I am very dissapointed with PCNA!!!

I spoke with my service manager and he said that if Porsche was to warranty mine, they would have to warranty everyone's and thus would result in a HUGE monetary loss for them! As a result, I am selling my CGT and not picking up my GT3rs......Porsche has lost a repeat customer...

For real?!

I haven't noticed anything yet -- but maybe it's because it matches my car color. :-)

[JasonAndreas]

Originally Posted by VRAlexander

I spoke with my service manager

Have you escalated this above the dealer level?

Originally Posted by VRAlexander

he said that if Porsche was to warranty mine, they would have to warranty everyone's and thus would result in a HUGE monetary loss for them!

Auto manufacturers use that excuse all the time...

Originally Posted by VRAlexander

I am selling my CGT and not picking up my GT3rs......Porsche has lost a repeat customer...

and hope that you go away quietly. Unless the UV degradation leads to delamination there is not much the NHTSA can do. But there are a few journalists/magazines that would eat this up if given the opportunity. Have you tried publicizing the problem?

[20C4S]

i personally know 1 car that's been covered by warranty. very early production car. owner has good relationship with the dealer.

i haven't noticed anything on mine yet. it will probably bother me but as far as i know that's normal i should be ok with it. honestly i'd rather keep my car in 1 piece rather than dealer taking it apart for the work.

[VRAlexander]

Thanks guys....Its good to be here...

I have escalated the CGT issue all the way to Porsche AG and they flew out some people that spent two days with the car at the dealer...they took over 100 photos and then flew back out. That was over 6 weeks ago and now all they can do is point the finger at the carbon manufacturer.. If this was a 20K car, that would be one thing...however this is a $500,000.00 car and they treat their customers like this??? Not even a phone call or thorough follow up??? Thats BS! PCNA has been very good to me for years and years and they stand behind me 100%...Its Porsche AG that is making the call on this one.... I can understand (to some extent) their position, however this is BS...I was planning on picking up my GT3rs next week and had an order in on a new GT-2 as well as expressed interest in obtaining the CGT replacement when they released it....I am done with Porsche...this is very dissapointing..

On the other hand, you would think that they learned...my 996 turbo had a similar problem with the carbon and they where happy to replace it...several times ?????? Go figure ????

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Originally Posted by VRAlexander

Thanks guys....Its good to be here...

I have escalated the CGT issue all the way to Porsche AG and they flew out some people that spent two days with the car at the dealer...they took over 100 photos and then flew back out. That was over 6 weeks ago and now all they can do is point the finger at the carbon manufacturer.. If this was a 20K car, that would be one thing...however this is a $500,000.00 car and they treat their customers like this??? Not even a phone call or thorough follow up??? Thats BS! PCNA has been very good to me for years and years and they stand behind me 100%...Its Porsche AG that is making the call on this one.... I can understand (to some extent) their position, however this is BS...I was planning on picking up my GT3rs next week and had an order in on a new GT-2 as well as expressed interest in obtaining the CGT replacement when they released it....I am done with Porsche...this is very dissapointing..

On the other hand, you would think that they learned...my 996 turbo had a similar problem with the carbon and they where happy to replace it...several times ?????? Go figure ????

didnt think you would have stopped at the dealer level but didnt have the full explanation.
that's a shame and sorry to hear.

[VRAlexander]

Thanks Jeff.... I am going to keep my Protomotive 996turbo...and no Posche's in my future...Funny you should mention Veyron ....I got a call from a dealer last week and he said that they are getting a Black on Black on Black Veyron next month that had my name on it...The price that he quoted me is more than fair for the car, so I am going to fly out and check her out...last time I drove the Veyron I enjoyed the car except for the fact that it was not a canyon carver like the CGT.... I am also considering the CCXR....

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Originally Posted by VRAlexander

Thanks Jeff.... I am going to keep my Protomotive 996turbo...and no Posche's in my future...Funny you should mention Veyron ....I got a call from a dealer last week and he said that they are getting a Black on Black on Black Veyron next month that had my name on it...The price that he quoted me is more than fair for the car, so I am going to fly out and check her out...last time I drove the Veyron I enjoyed the car except for the fact that it was not a canyon carver like the CGT.... I am also considering the CCXR....

alex,
i was just kidding about the veyron having seen where you had test driven one.
black/black/black in a veyron sounds pretty interesting!
ccxr? you mean a koenigsegg ccr or ccx?
i know a fellow that passed on a veyron and got a new ccr at a real good deal.
i'll check w/ him on how he thinks they compare and let you know what he says if you havent gotten to drive a k.
no doubt the veyron is more sorted and polished.
sure would like to see one in blk/blk/blk!
jeff

[VRAlexander]

Thanks ...The CCXR is the 1000hp eco missile....please let me know what your friend thought...Thanks

[GBGT]

Originally Posted by VRAlexander

I spoke with my service manager and he said that if Porsche was to warranty mine, they would have to warranty everyone's and thus would result in a HUGE monetary loss for them! As a result, I am selling my CGT and not picking up my GT3rs......Porsche has lost a repeat customer...

I don't know about that position. Try another dealer, I think service departments can vary greatly. The CGT is an absoutely, unarguably amazing car, and the GT3 RS is also definitly a car worth owning. ALL car manufacturers have issues with their cars, from Ferrari to Koenigsegg even the most high end manufacturers experience this.