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Old 10-03-2010, 02:42 AM
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well, i narrowed it down to the HPFP as the culprit. i had the common symptoms, delayed starting ie. 3-5 sec cranking before firing up, limp mode, sluggish & rough idle. i've already replaced rear fuel pumps & filter in the tank, plugs and check the coil packs for cracks..got better a little bit

i have read a few threads regarding HPFP failures in Cayennes and 997 Carreras and also in new BMWs. Do these manufactures get the pumps from the same company?

well, the pepper is out of warranty that's why i'm own my own, the wifey drives alot..

it has been trouble free upto 90K miles and now it can't even get ahead of corolla when merging onto the freeway...)

where is this HPFP located in the engine compartment? it will make my job alot easier.



thanks...
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Do you find that the problem is more pronounced when extremely humid or during rain? Have you ever replaced the ignition coils?
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It is on the backside of the driver cam and is very easy to remove! A 10mm flex-able ratching wrench from gearwrench makes it much easier. remove the 3 long bolts and the crash shield then the 3 short that hold the pump in, then rotate the pump to remove the plug, slide out and remove. Also need to remove the two fuel lines! put back together and start car with covers still off to check for fuel leaks. Can be done in 30 min but it is a knuckle buster not alot of room in there!
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Originally Posted by Andy E.
Do you find that the problem is more pronounced when extremely humid or during rain? Have you ever replaced the ignition coils?
It started this summer, so i can't tell because it hasn't started raining yet. All i know is that it became worst after a while but I never stranded. I inspected the coil packs for cracks because I heard they were prone to this before but didn't find any and never heard them failing on the newer cayenne after they came out with a "much improved design per dealership" in my opinion a failing coil pack will give a different symptom.

HPFP symptoms @ least in my case.

3-5 sec. delay in firing up
engine vibrates when it actually starts
erratic rpm reading then settles down to normal
won't take full throttle when it hits 2700-3K rpm (bogging down)
overall runs like crap
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Originally Posted by carreragttech
It is on the backside of the driver cam and is very easy to remove! A 10mm flex-able ratching wrench from gearwrench makes it much easier. remove the 3 long bolts and the crash shield then the 3 short that hold the pump in, then rotate the pump to remove the plug, slide out and remove. Also need to remove the two fuel lines! put back together and start car with covers still off to check for fuel leaks. Can be done in 30 min but it is a knuckle buster not alot of room in there!
Seems like a lot easier than replacing rear pump and filter. now just have to go to my friendly neighborhood stealership to buy the part. I'll keep you guys posted.

I appreciate the help, Thanks...
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Shouldn't this be covered with the new car warranty?
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Originally Posted by OCNYPORSCHE
Shouldn't this be covered with the new car warranty?
believe it or not wifey covered 90K trouble free miles in 2 years...what can I say she loves to drive the pepper until now...
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Wow, that must be a record. Now I can understand why a fuel pump is needed
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The HPFP is/was a very big problem with BMW x35's (as in 335/535). So much so the BMW has upped the warranty on them to 100k mi. According to the BMW boards some cars were on their 3rd and 4th HPFP. The wife's car is a 328 and is unaffected by the problem.

Good question whether the mfgrs. are the same.
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Originally Posted by OCNYPORSCHE
Wow, that must be a record. Now I can understand why a fuel pump is needed
I'm actually surprised it lasted this long, I've read a few posting that it failed in some cars under 10K mile. IMHO it should last longer than 100K.
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Originally Posted by 993BillW
The HPFP is/was a very big problem with BMW x35's (as in 335/535). So much so the BMW has upped the warranty on them to 100k mi. According to the BMW boards some cars were on their 3rd and 4th HPFP. The wife's car is a 328 and is unaffected by the problem.

Good question whether the mfgrs. are the same.
Thats what I gathered, but in true to Porsche fashion they will not recall cars and just deal with individual warranty issues and if you're out of warranty, tough luck. I came across this issue with my 997.1. It was under CPO but when it developed a slight squeaking noise on idle, the dealership told me they have to charge me for break down and it may not even be covered under CPO. I'm glad my lease ended a couple of months ago.
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Do you have a check engine light on?

Just for kicks since you have a DFI motor, you may want to check for carbon build up on the intake valves if possible. This is a common issue on the DFI cars, not all. There may be a way to check for this without pulling the manifold.

When the HPFP starts to fail, I thought they just die without much stories to tell?

Hopefully it's just the HPFP pump!
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im on HPFP #2 with only 9000 miles on a 2009 Cayenne Turbo S- first one was at 4000 miles
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Originally Posted by jtpsocal
im on HPFP #2 with only 9000 miles on a 2009 Cayenne Turbo S- first one was at 4000 miles
Jtp, were your symptoms the same as the OP?
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Originally Posted by Vino
Do you have a check engine light on?

Just for kicks since you have a DFI motor, you may want to check for carbon build up on the intake valves if possible. This is a common issue on the DFI cars, not all. There may be a way to check for this without pulling the manifold.

When the HPFP starts to fail, I thought they just die without much stories to tell?

Hopefully it's just the HPFP pump!
2008 and later are all DFI.


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